savage 110 hard to lift bolt

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  • joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    hello all,
    i just recently picked up an older savage 110 in 30-06. it is definitely pre-accu trigger and doesnt even have a detachable magazine. from the many things ive read online savages are notorious for heavy a heavy bolt lift but this gun seems to be way harder than it should be after firing. when lifting you can almost feel/hear a grinding noise and i cant figure out what it is. i took the entire bolt apart and cleaned everything. i ordered this part: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...p-shrouds/cocking-piece-sleeve-prod12886.aspx
    because i read somewhere this can cause my problem and it was only $14. any other suggestions?
    does anyone have any ideas what could be causing this problem?

    Thanks!!
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    If it only does it when you're actually firing a cartridge, that's a clue.

    Is the chamber spotlessly clean?

    You got her all lubed up in the correct places?
     

    joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    If it only does it when you're actually firing a cartridge, that's a clue.

    Is the chamber spotlessly clean?

    You got her all lubed up in the correct places?


    everything is as scrubbed and lubed as i can get it. i have yet to actually fire the weapon but it is hard to raise the bolt after i drop the hammer (using the leave the bolt up, pull the trigger, drop the bolt method)
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    hello all,
    i just recently picked up an older savage 110 in 30-06. it is definitely pre-accu trigger and doesnt even have a detachable magazine. from the many things ive read online savages are notorious for heavy a heavy bolt lift but this gun seems to be way harder than it should be after firing. when lifting you can almost feel/hear a grinding noise and i cant figure out what it is. i took the entire bolt apart and cleaned everything. i ordered this part: https://www.brownells.com/rifle-par...p-shrouds/cocking-piece-sleeve-prod12886.aspx
    because i read somewhere this can cause my problem and it was only $14. any other suggestions?
    does anyone have any ideas what could be causing this problem?

    Thanks!!

    I assumed you fired it.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    everything is as scrubbed and lubed as i can get it. i have yet to actually fire the weapon but it is hard to raise the bolt after i drop the hammer (using the leave the bolt up, pull the trigger, drop the bolt method)

    Are you sure that's safe for your rifle?

    Not safety wise safe, but mechanical wise safe.

    A lot of older surplus military rifles can be manipulated that way, but I'm not certain that's true for modern bolt gun designs.

    You may have ground the snot out of your internals.
     

    dink

    Member
    Mar 30, 2014
    63
    Does it have a scope mounted? Sometimes the mount screws are too long and hit the bolt.
     

    joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    Are you sure that's safe for your rifle?

    Not safety wise safe, but mechanical wise safe.

    A lot of older surplus military rifles can be manipulated that way, but I'm not certain that's true for modern bolt gun designs.

    You may have ground the snot out of your internals.

    from everything ive read this is not bad for my gun and i have dont it to an excess, just enough to see if it worked correctly after cleaning.
     

    iH8DemLibz

    When All Else Fails.
    Apr 1, 2013
    25,396
    Libtardistan
    Why are you pulling the trigger with the bolt handle in the up position?

    Just close the bolt, on an empty chamber, and pull the trigger.
     

    joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    Why are you pulling the trigger with the bolt handle in the up position?

    Just close the bolt, on an empty chamber, and pull the trigger.

    i thought dry firing was terrible for guns? im not trying to question you or be rude, just trying to learn! i was just always told to use the bolt up trigger pull bolt down method on a bolt action
     

    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    Put a picture of the action showing the bolt face and safety so I can see how old it is. The older 110's safety could get worn or dirty and cause it to stop in the wrong place. This would cause problems lifting the bolt as, in full safe, the bolt is locked. When it gets cruddy or worn, the safety may not be in the detent and cause a drag on the bolt.
     

    joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    Put a picture of the action showing the bolt face and safety so I can see how old it is. The older 110's safety could get worn or dirty and cause it to stop in the wrong place. This would cause problems lifting the bolt as, in full safe, the bolt is locked. When it gets cruddy or worn, the safety may not be in the detent and cause a drag on the bolt.

    are these the photos you need?
     

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    John from MD

    American Patriot
    MDS Supporter
    May 12, 2005
    22,721
    Socialist State of Maryland
    It is not a really old model but it does have some of the same safety hardware. First, as someone said earlier, try cleaning out the bolt spring area. It could have some congealed grease and crud.

    To take the bolt apart, after it is removed, rotate the cocking pin to release the pressure on the spring. The cocking pin is on the side of the bolt and has a big head. After you do this, unscrew the large screw at the end of the bolt behind the bolt handle. You can then disassemble the bolt. After you clean and reassemble it, you have to move the cocking pin to the cocked position before you can insert the bolt into the action. If it is still hanging up, put some light pressure on the safety moving towards the F but don't push hard. If it moves a little, try the bolt. If it turns easier, then the safety has to be cleaned or adjusted.
     

    BradMacc82

    Ultimate Member
    Industry Partner
    Aug 17, 2011
    26,177
    yes, it is a lot easier. could it be the firing pin spring being so old and not used regularly for a long time?

    Savages cock on opening, so what you're experiencing after releasing the firing pin and trying to lift the bolt is all the spring pressure from the cocking of the firing pin - it's usual, to an extent.

    I couldn't tell if yours is excessive w/out actually manipulating the bolt myself.
     

    joma352

    Active Member
    Jan 4, 2018
    159
    Lower Eastern Shore
    Savages cock on opening, so what you're experiencing after releasing the firing pin and trying to lift the bolt is all the spring pressure from the cocking of the firing pin - it's usual, to an extent.

    I couldn't tell if yours is excessive w/out actually manipulating the bolt myself.

    Hmm maybe I'm just over reacting. I was just expecting it to feel a lot smoother. As long as it shoots accurate and can put meat in the freezer I'll be fine
     

    BradMacc82

    Ultimate Member
    Industry Partner
    Aug 17, 2011
    26,177
    Hmm maybe I'm just over reacting. I was just expecting it to feel a lot smoother. As long as it shoots accurate and can put meat in the freezer I'll be fine

    There is a Bolt Lift Kit for Savage's, that allows you to dial down the effort to lift/cock the bolt/firing pin.

    I'll see if I can find you the link for it.
     

    Tracker

    Active Member
    Aug 21, 2011
    587
    Anne Arundel County
    Just try dry firing once or twice. Or put a snap cap or a spent cartridge in the chamber for the firing pin to strike if you are that worried about it. Dry firing once in a while for testing shouldn't break a firing pin or spring that are in sound condition. Just don't make a habit of it.
     

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