Globalists Are Trying Their Best To Take Over

boss66tcode · Jul 7, 2012

SonsofLiberty said:
The thought of gun control, especially from a foriegn government is completely unconstitutional. If that garbage is shoved through we can kiss all of our civil liberties good bye

I only a 2/3's vote in the senate is required for a suprmajorty, we might be screwed.

Furious George · Jul 7, 2012

boss66tcode said:
I only a 2/3's vote in the senate is required for a suprmajorty, we might be screwed.

"Only?!?!?"

Approving and ratifying an international treaty is about the hardest way to make law that there is. It is NOT a shortcut.

If there were 2/3 support for this type of measure, it would have been passed as domestic law by simple majority long ago.

67 is more than enough to cut off debate and approve just about anything.

These days, the Senate can't muster 51 votes for a potty break after lunch much less anything that matters.

This "issue" is more about cynical alarmists betting you don't understand civics and shaking you down for monetary donations.

boss66tcode · Jul 7, 2012

Furious George said:
"Only?!?!?"

Approving and ratifying an international treaty is about the hardest way to make law that there is. It is NOT a shortcut.

If there were 2/3 support for this type of measure, it would have been passed as domestic law by simple majority long ago.

67 is more than enough to cut off debate and approve just about anything.

These days, the Senate can't muster 51 votes for a potty break after lunch much less anything that matters.

This "issue" is more about cynical alarmists betting you don't understand civics and shaking you down for monetary donations.

Have you looked at the compsition of our Senate foreign relations committee? That is where this will start, and theoretically, could possibly end, if the 2A proponants can find someone to stall it. Do you really think that Webb and Luger can stall it themseves? I was discouraged by discovering who the others were on the committee. If it goes to the floor, isn't it logical to assume its vote will get "horse traded" off in exchange for support on other bills in an election year.
Here's a link, decide for yourself:
http://www.foreign.senate.gov/

LongTom · Jul 10, 2012

The most disturbing thing to come down the pipe on that deal is the fact that Hillary and the Obama administration is trying to push to the American People that congress is not required to sign this treaty into law.

She said something about how, if Obama signs it himself and circumvents congress, it's still good to go.

Today, ladies and gentlemen, we are facing tyranny, socialism, perversion, and destruction of our rights of a higher order than ever seen before. I feel that we are nearing the end.

We will be telling our grandchildren what it was like to be free.

Streetgang · Jul 10, 2012

LongTom said:
The most disturbing thing to come down the pipe on that deal is the fact that Hillary and the Obama administration is trying to push to the American People that congress is not required to sign this treaty into law.

She said something about how, if Obama signs it himself and circumvents congress, it's still good to go.

Wouldn't surprise me but do you have a source for that?

G O B · Jul 10, 2012

It does NOT have to pass the Senate and become law to screw us over. Other Countries can sign it and then they will no longer export small arms and ammo to the US. Remember -"We are doing some things under the table..".

WeaponsCollector · Jul 10, 2012

They can pass all the international gun ban treaties and all the unconstitutional gun control laws they want, the thing about America is we will not simply roll over and take it like they did in England and Australia.
Freedom-loving Americans will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
It's really that simple.

Streetgang · Jul 10, 2012

WeaponsCollector said:
They can pass all the international gun control treaties and all the unconstitutional gun ban laws they want, the thing about America is we will not simply roll over and take it like they did in England and Australia.
Freedom-loving Americans will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL ENEMIES FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.
It's that simple.

I surely hope so. I'm not about armed insurrection but there has to be a breaking point some where.

EL1227 · Jul 10, 2012

Correction ...

G O B said:
It does NOT have to pass the Senate and become law to screw us over. Other Countries can sign it and then they will no longer export small arms and ammo to the US. Remember -"We are doing some things under the table..".

Monica Lewinsky did things 'under the table'.

Obama does things 'under the radar'.

The end result is the same except the stain ends up on The Constitution as opposed to a blue dress. :innocent0

Sev89 · Jul 10, 2012

Have they even started drafting it yet? The last article I read claimed they've pretty much spent the last few days disagreeing with one another on what it should include. Don't they have a limited amount of time for this?

smokering · Jul 10, 2012

Streetgang said:
I surely hope so. I'm not about armed insurrection but there has to be a breaking point some where.

Once they start shooting "revolutionists" one of two things will happen:

1.) The majority of gun owners will turn theirs over and they hunt down the stragglers.

2.) They'll just come to your job and arrest you for "suspicion of terrorism" until you comply.

:sad20:

oldman12 · Jul 10, 2012

smokering said:
Once they start shooting "revolutionists" one of two things will happen:

1.) The majority of gun owners will turn theirs over and they hunt down the stragglers.

2.) They'll just come to your job and arrest you for "suspicion of terrorism" until you comply.

Full of hope i see. :lol2:

oldman12 · Jul 10, 2012

smokering said:
Once they start shooting "revolutionists" one of two things will happen:

1.) The majority of gun owners will turn theirs over and they hunt down the stragglers.

2.) They'll just come to your job and arrest you for "suspicion of terrorism" until you comply.

And even if 60 mill turn in their firearms.20 mill will fight the fascist plague to death.

Those 20 will still out number any police and or military.

When Hitler took firearms away , people died by the thousands. Reguardless, its comming to to a time where The Tree Of Liberty Is Going To Need To Be Fed.

smokering · Jul 10, 2012

oldman12 said:
Full of hope i see.

Realistically as a group I see hope, but I fear what may happen before those groups are formed and worse some of the people that comprise the groups that exist. Many will be brave, but to stand alone in the face of many guns arriving at any time unexpectedly is unrealistic and that is how it will begin (when it gets to that point). People will get discouraged or enraged because the news reports causalities of friends and acquaintances as some "nut", "terrorist", "accident" if it makes it at all. Those discouraged and with family will comply, those enraged will weigh their options and may choose to find others to become "strength in numbers" and go into self-imposed exile. Unless people live in unique communities (and I don't mean 10 neighbors that agree) staying put won't even be a short term option.

EL1227 · Jul 10, 2012

It won't take just ANY nut terrorist, but it will take an international nut terrorist

smokering said:
Realistically as a group I see hope, but I fear what may happen before those groups are formed and worse some of the people that comprise the groups that exist. Many will be brave, but to stand alone in the face of many guns arriving at any time unexpectedly is unrealistic and that is how it will begin (when it gets to that point). People will get discouraged or enraged because the news reports causalities of friends and acquaintances as some "nut", "terrorist", "accident" if it makes it at all. Those discouraged and with family will comply, those enraged will weigh their options and may choose to find others to become "strength in numbers" and go into self-imposed exile. Unless people live in unique communities (and I don't mean 10 neighbors that agree) staying put won't even be a short term option.

When the UN wants to negotiate a global arms control deal, it turns to ... Iran

“Right after a UN Security Council report found Iran guilty of illegally transferring guns and bombs to Syria, which is now murdering thousands of its own people, it defies logic, morality and common sense for the UN to elect this same regime to a global post in the regulation of arms transfers,” UN Watch Executive Director Hillel Neuer told FoxNews.com.

BOHICA !!! Where's John Bolton when you need him ?

Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US. :mad54:

WOLVERINES !!!

Robert · Jul 10, 2012

zoostation said:
Where a lot of folks are making a mistake, in my opinion, is finding solace in the belief this treaty will never pass the Senate. That's not necessarily accurate. What is true is that if the vote were held today, July 5, 2012, it would never pass the Senate. Who knows what international events will happen tomorrow that the administration and their loyal media can whip into justification for this treaty.

Let the next Bosnia, or Rwanda, or other dirty little war happen (and there's always one waiting to happen somewhere), and then have the MSM saturating the airwaves for two weeks with up-close and personal horror stories over tragedies "that could have been prevented with a treaty like this." Couple that with stories and promises that this treaty will in no way affect internal arms regulation, "we promise" (wink, wink). "It's just those NRA fanatics again being paranoid and selfish and getting all these third-world children killed by stopping the passage of this treaty that won't even affect them." Then the belief that the Senate would never vote for it suddenly becomes much less comforting. Even without a new war, there's still enough conflict around the world that the media can always find fodder to ramp up a campaign about what is being done by "unregulated" guns around the world, especially those evil American guns.

I think it's a huge mistake to write off the gun control movement as being largely irrelevant because of all the 2A victories in the courts and legislative bodies in the past decade. The pendulum has merely swung our way. Heavily our way, granted, but it can still swing back. It was only 15 years ago or so that there were people in Congress who still seriously talked about a nationwide handgun ban, and the majority of the people in this country favored the banning of "assault weapons." Don't assume we'll never wind up in that boat again.

Very well said.

Many people are brushing this off as impossible, but this is a serious serious issue, and while this may not go anywhere here in the US, it will effect our costs in a MAJOR way when other nations do adopt it.

Scott7891 · Jul 11, 2012

Robert said:
Very well said.

Many people are brushing this off as impossible, but this is a serious serious issue, and while this may not go anywhere here in the US, it will effect our costs in a MAJOR way when other nations do adopt it.

Especially those who like imports such as myself :mad54:

Merlin · Jul 11, 2012

UN arms treaty could put U.S. gun owners in foreign sights, say critics Read more: h

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/

Streetgang · Jul 11, 2012

Merlin said:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-UN in us-gun-owners--sights-say-US gun owners

"could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments"

That is crazy talk!

Fixed the headline....

pcfixer · Jul 11, 2012

This could be the "spark that ignites the next revolution'. Remember
1775 at Lexington Green..... Sylvanus Wood.??

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