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  • weeman

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    Oct 2, 2009
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    He has withdrawn the bill.
     

    Deep Lurker

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    Wanted to smell like a DemocRat in 2020. Woops.
     

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    Deep Lurker

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    Orrock should remove and replace the Virginia Commonwealth Flag on his FB banner:
     

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    Deep Lurker

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    Orrock: I got yer new FB banner picture right here. Smell this.
     

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    Allen65

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    I'd strongly suggest that people not be too hard on the guy; we should be welcoming him back into the pro-freedom camp. Make him an example for other politicians, especially Dems in the VA Senate, who may be sitting on the fence, that there's still time to Do The Right Thing.

    I know there's a good argument to be made on the other side of this, too, but using a carrot where possible and saving the stick for the truly incorrigible antis will move the most votes our way. The goal is to win the votes in the Senate to not pass this stuff, gloating how so-and-so was forced to change his/her vote is a distraction from that.
     

    Adolph Oliver Bush

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    I'd strongly suggest that people not be too hard on the guy; we should be welcoming him back into the pro-freedom camp. Make him an example for other politicians, especially Dems in the VA Senate, who may be sitting on the fence, that there's still time to Do The Right Thing.

    I know there's a good argument to be made on the other side of this, too, but using a carrot where possible and saving the stick for the truly incorrigible antis will move the most votes our way. The goal is to win the votes in the Senate to not pass this stuff, gloating how so-and-so was forced to change his/her vote is a distraction from that.


    ^^^ This. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
     

    weeman

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    Oct 2, 2009
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    I'd strongly suggest that people not be too hard on the guy; we should be welcoming him back into the pro-freedom camp. Make him an example for other politicians, especially Dems in the VA Senate, who may be sitting on the fence, that there's still time to Do The Right Thing.

    I know there's a good argument to be made on the other side of this, too, but using a carrot where possible and saving the stick for the truly incorrigible antis will move the most votes our way. The goal is to win the votes in the Senate to not pass this stuff, gloating how so-and-so was forced to change his/her vote is a distraction from that.

    Are you serious? Why should we continue to support a traitor to our rights? He is not my rep but I'm not far from his district. He does not represent what the majority of people in Virginia stand for. Time to be voted out. Also he's been a politician for 30 years. Time for new blood.
     

    fred55

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    Aug 24, 2016
    1,773
    Spotsylvania Co. VA
    He surprised many with his pre-filed abomination of a bill. I’ll give him a do-over; however, I’ll be watching him like a hawk. Every vote every comment. With the influx of Bloomberg money I’m concerned about RINOs and party defectors. Trust but verify. I’ve told him I’m happy to assist with addressing violence within our Constitutional rights, I’ll see how that goes. fred55
     

    Allen65

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    Jun 29, 2013
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    Are you serious? Why should we continue to support a traitor to our rights? He is not my rep but I'm not far from his district. He does not represent what the majority of people in Virginia stand for. Time to be voted out. Also he's been a politician for 30 years. Time for new blood.

    The goal for the next two or three months is to prevent passage of the anti-2A bills, period. The other issues can wait until the next election. If winning on the current round of legislative votes is enabled by being civil to those who return to the fold from the Dark Side, so be it. Do I like having to do this? Of course not. But winning ugly is still winning.
     

    Glaron

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    Mar 20, 2013
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    :thumbsup:
    The goal for the next two or three months is to prevent passage of the anti-2A bills, period. The other issues can wait until the next election. If winning on the current round of legislative votes is enabled by being civil to those who return to the fold from the Dark Side, so be it. Do I like having to do this? Of course not. But winning ugly is still winning.

    :thumbsup:
     

    Deep Lurker

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    Just saying ...

    :innocent0
     

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    Don H

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    Jan 17, 2013
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    Seems like somebody felt a little too much heat (from his FB page):

    Delegate Bobby Orrock
    2 hrs ·
    I have decided to withdraw House Bill 192. As a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment, I have no desire to impose restrictions on law abiding citizens. My sole intent was to increase safety with the use of firearms.
     

    Glaron

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    Btw,
    Virginia Constitutional Conservatives are on this too. :)
     

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    weeman

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    Oct 2, 2009
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    The goal for the next two or three months is to prevent passage of the anti-2A bills, period. The other issues can wait until the next election. If winning on the current round of legislative votes is enabled by being civil to those who return to the fold from the Dark Side, so be it. Do I like having to do this? Of course not. But winning ugly is still winning.

    Fair enough. However come next election why shouldn't he have to answer for this?
     

    namrelio

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    Aug 14, 2013
    4,372
    Frederick Co. Virginia
    ******* is deleting comments on his official page. Not supposed to do that!

    EDIT: I did see a comment from MDSHOOTERS in that December 24th post about deleting comments. I did not go through every posts replies to see who commented. I posted a question directly to his page asking him to explain what he is hoping to accomplish with his bill. That is the one awaiting approval. If it does not make it to the home page, I may ask again in the reply sections of his posts. I guess they do not have to be approved?

    Appears to have changed his way of thinking. Thank you. :thumbsup:
     

    Allen65

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    Jun 29, 2013
    7,147
    Anne Arundel County
    Fair enough. However come next election why shouldn't he have to answer for this?

    Absolutely he should. But he might not, depending on who he's running against.

    If he's running in the general election against an authoritarian progressive Dem who has no respect for any of the BoR, then he might not suffer consequences because he's the lesser of two bad choices. Same in the Rep primary if he's running against an extremist on the opposite end of the spectrum who can't win a general election, thereby enabling the aforementioned left-winger to end up with the seat, resulting in our rights getting stripped away.

    I've had to hold my nose a lot in the voting booth for the past decade voting for the person who will cause me the least damage, no matter how much I despise him/her personally.

    Representative democracy means having a choice, not necessarily having good choices. And yet it's still better than any alternative forms of government mankind has managed to come up with. It's like dealing with family: I gotta work with what I've got, not what I wished I had.
     

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