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Old April 27th, 2021, 10:22 PM #361
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So correct me if I am wrong here but SCOTUS is in session (for lack of a better term) from September 27th to June 27th.
Should we then expect a decision by June 27th?
It will be argued in the fall, with a decision expected sometime next year.

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Old April 27th, 2021, 10:24 PM #362
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NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

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It will be argued in the fall, with a decision expected sometime next year.

Nevermind. Replied to wrong person.

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Old April 27th, 2021, 10:40 PM #363
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Let's not start celebrating yet. Someone could die, even if they rule in our favor it might not go as far as we want, etc..
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Old April 28th, 2021, 12:38 AM #364
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I am in absolute agreement with you with respect to licensing requirements.

Licensing's only legitimate purpose is to deal with a collision of rights, like you'd get with a parade making use of the streets. That interferes with right to travel, and so it's a legitimate thing to require a permit for that.

Carrying a firearm simultaneously is a Constitutionally-protected right and interferes with nobody's rights. As such, it's illegitimate to demand a permit for it. It doesn't matter if the government wants to weed out criminals from carrying guns. Criminals that are intent on committing crimes will do so irrespective of the law, thus making a permit system worthless against them, and "criminals" that are not intent on committing crimes are irrelevant. End result: there is no logical justification for a permit system covering carry of firearms, and that's pretty much that. Lack of logical justification means no true rational basis, which means it must fail a Constitutional challenge.
Carrying is not necessarily a constitutionally protected right. There has been a historical prohibition on concealed carry so a blanket statement that carrying is protected is false. Carrying certainly can interfere with someone's rights if they do it for nefarious purposes.

Laws don't prevent crime, but they do allow the government to prosecute it. There may not be a lot of benefit to a permit system, but it is certainly not worthless either.

It is because of these limitations that make it very difficult to demonstrate that some type of licensing is unreasonable.

While I think a number of these licensing/permit requirements are unreasonable, I don't believe you will ever be able to justify no licensing or permits due to how the government's police power interest intersect with the right.
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There may not be a lot of benefit to a permit system, but it is certainly not worthless either.

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Please name me one benefit from the permitting system other than revenue generation.

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Please name me one benefit from the permitting system other than revenue generation.

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It makes it a little bit easier to determine if someone is a prohibited person.
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It makes it a little bit easier to determine if someone is a prohibited person.
Prohibited people don't get permits.

They just carry illegally if they want to.

Try again.

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Prohibited people don't get permits.

They just carry illegally if they want to.

Try again.

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I never claimed that a permit prevents a prohibited person from carrying.

The claim is that "it makes it a little bit easier to determine if someone is a prohibited person." If they have a permit then you know they are not a prohibited person.
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It makes it a little bit easier to determine if someone is a prohibited person.
I get pulled over for speeding, cop looks at my ID, but then he calls it in to verify that it's good and I have no warrants.

Prohibited persons should have a record that will pop up. We live in an age of instant records checks. Permits are not useful as long as you have ID.
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I get pulled over for speeding, cop looks at my ID, but then he calls it in to verify that it's good and I have no warrants.

Prohibited persons should have a record that will pop up. We live in an age of instant records checks. Permits are not useful as long as you have ID.
There is no need to do a record check because the permit has already done that. There still is some usefulness to a permit.
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