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Yeah, but the 2011 has a flush fit mag, it doesn’t have it’s shirt hanging out it’s fly....
I’m going to build one of those. Not kidding.
I need to look at the 2011 approach.
Who makes a good 80% 10mm kit?
Who makes a good 80% 10mm kit?
Nobody makes a 2011 complete kit. If you are interested and can’t find a 80% steel frame I may know a guy that has one and is willing to part with it. I have the jig. Then find the grip of your choice.
Examples:
https://www.extremeshooters.com/sti-grips
The rest of the parts are 1911....
Ammo Jon
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It’s an untuckit mag
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJn9-zqxJ9U
If you decide to build one let me know, maybe I’ll join you.
I gotta get a slide to a Smith to make Glock serrations and cut it for Glock sights. LOL.
Boats
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As others have said, if I were looking at .454, I would just get a Smith .460 which can shoot .460, .454 and .45LC. Shoot the fast stuff when your wrists are feeling strong and shoot .45lc when they aren't.
As far as 10mm, sadly MOST comercially available 10mm is downloaded to 40s&w velocities. Federal and Winchester are two of the worst at this, with some of their 10mm offerings chronoing at the same or slower speeds than 40. Full power 10mm can be had, Remington green and white is okay, but to really get the most out of it you need buffalo bore or underwood. Loaded on the hotter side, 10mm can give you solid .357 performance, with the lighter bullets giving muzzle energies around the mid-700s.
If I were doing another 10mm, I would probably go with a double stack 1911 from DW, or convert a Para .40-16 to 10. Basically works out to a 16-20 rd .357 which isn't a slouch.
Basically, as others have said, the .454 is a dedicated woods and brush gun for hunting and big critter defense. The 10 would be better for home defense and carry. Either is fun at the range, depending on proclivities.
As far as 10mm, sadly MOST comercially available 10mm is downloaded to 40s&w velocities. Federal and Winchester are two of the worst at this, with some of their 10mm offerings chronoing at the same or slower speeds than 40. Full power 10mm can be had, Remington green and white is okay, but to really get the most out of it you need buffalo bore or underwood. Loaded on the hotter side, 10mm can give you solid .357 performance, with the lighter bullets giving muzzle energies around the mid-700s.
If I were doing another 10mm, I would probably go with a double stack 1911 from DW, or convert a Para .40-16 to 10. Basically works out to a 16-20 rd .357 which isn't a slouch.
Basically, as others have said, the .454 is a dedicated woods and brush gun for hunting and big critter defense. The 10 would be better for home defense and carry. Either is fun at the range, depending on proclivities.
Boats
Broken Member
if you are looking for an 80% 2011 kit, here is an option:
https://www.rogue-tac.com/OUTLAW-Grip-Rogue-Tactical-Frame--80_p_111.html
https://www.rogue-tac.com/OUTLAW-Grip-Rogue-Tactical-Frame--80_p_111.html
Magnumite
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Boats is right on with the ammo specs. Herter’s loads a stouter than 40 S&W 180 grainer rated at 1164 fps. I’ve shot the Underwood 180 at 1250 fps. They are different loads.
If building a 1911 pattern pistol in 10, or even buying one, you’ll be ahead of the game to use a flat bottom firing pin stop or a Harrison stop with the small radius and 3 degree relief cut. Both reduce the hammer’s mechanical advantage and reduce the percieved recoil since more energy is spent cocking the hammer. Throw in a 26 pound mainspring and you can use a 20 pound recoil spring. I use a 28 pound mainspring in mine. That will mitigate recoil as well as almost all the firing pin drag on the primers. Have fun charging it. Very doable but is a culture shock. Cocking the hammer first will help.
The Colt Delta has a reputation that some of its barrels in 10 are not highly supported. Reports of smiley face brass abound when shooting hot loads. Can’t attest to blowouts...but I imagine a hot rod reloader or two have had them. Or summer ammo sitting in the sun or hot car.
Whether you buy or build...have fun. One of my next projects is a 45 SMC build. About a good 45 Super.
Just got the last package of parts to finish up a P80 G20. My first 10mm. Bought the ammo long before I started raking the pistol parts together. I'm a big fan of having at least one firearm that can shoot any of the top 20 or so cartridges I might come across. And spending more time now in black bear territory, I realized something was missing for those strolls in the woods. Finding a good holster for woods-style carrying that P80 frame ... now THAT is a project.
Magnumite:
Your knowledge is always refreshing and informative.
I will look for a 80% 2011. If I can’t find one I will reach out. I assume it will need to be a rather sturdy one if I am going with a 10mm setup.
Anything in the frame I should stay away from?
Your knowledge is always refreshing and informative.
I will look for a 80% 2011. If I can’t find one I will reach out. I assume it will need to be a rather sturdy one if I am going with a 10mm setup.
Anything in the frame I should stay away from?
Nice!
Magnumite
Ultimate Member
Spectorsupply on gunbroker sells steel single stack frames for around $100 or so. You can get one cut fir a ramped barrel which should give you more case support.
You will see some 2011 type 80% frames for auction, too. Those 80% are going for about $200. JEM guns sells 100% hi-cap frame for $300. They are quickly becoming the standard in the industry. $300 is pricey but you’ll pay lots for jigs if you don’t already own or borrow (an ATF no-no) one.
Caspian sells cosmetic seconds for about $150 (Foster single stack). Caspian branded firsts are $215. Right now a carbon railed frame, Foster, is going for $150. Top flight frame for not a whole lot of money. Caspian shipping costs are reasonable. Find an ffl who doesn’t want to punch a hole in your pockets and that is a good price.
You will see some 2011 type 80% frames for auction, too. Those 80% are going for about $200. JEM guns sells 100% hi-cap frame for $300. They are quickly becoming the standard in the industry. $300 is pricey but you’ll pay lots for jigs if you don’t already own or borrow (an ATF no-no) one.
Caspian sells cosmetic seconds for about $150 (Foster single stack). Caspian branded firsts are $215. Right now a carbon railed frame, Foster, is going for $150. Top flight frame for not a whole lot of money. Caspian shipping costs are reasonable. Find an ffl who doesn’t want to punch a hole in your pockets and that is a good price.
There are no rules about borrowing jigs. If you really want to get technical, I will sell anyone my jigs for a dollar, with the sale being contingent on the re-sale of said jig for the same price within a specified period of time. Letting people use your jigs is perfectly legal as long as you don't do any of the work for them.
Magnumite
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I’ve known about the buy/sell transactions. The equipment and premises the receiver built with/on is supposed to be the makers. This is what squashed the AK and AR build parties. Unless rulings have changed, I err on the side of caution.
I do know if I owned a mill and let you use it...that constitutes manufacture. Legalities. The whole point was having vs purchasing the jigs.
I do know if I owned a mill and let you use it...that constitutes manufacture. Legalities. The whole point was having vs purchasing the jigs.
No, it doesn't. That ruling only applied to businesses. Individuals can do WTF they want with their property.
Read the ruling:
Magnumite
Ultimate Member
Testy. If you do further reading you can tell terms like person and entity take on inferred meanings. I’ll concur to your assessment.
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