How Not To Approach Police

CypherPunk · Dec 18, 2016

Often students have a lot of questions about contact with police while lawfully carrying a self protection firearm as a responsible citizen.

While I generally try not to call attention to, and therefore reinforce negative behavior, this is just too good not to share:

Note: It does not involve CCW (as far as I know), but it does illustrate some of what police are worried about and what they have to put up with.

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c4snipar · Dec 18, 2016

Use common sense.

swinokur · Dec 18, 2016

Follow Chris Rocks instructional video, and you'll have no issues with LE.

Rack&Roll · Dec 18, 2016

I recognize that stretch of roadway--it is Route 301 just north of Starke, Florida--the longstanding "speed trap capital of the world" according to the AAA. I drive that section of 301 like a choir boy because they don't mess around.

The officer is from Lawtey, FL. The "taser bro" was reportedly off his meds....

GunnyHwy · Dec 18, 2016

I didn't see the tasable crime here.

welder516 · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
I didn't see the tasable crime here.

I would have hit him with the Taser as well , he don't need to come up on the officer like that .

GunnyHwy · Dec 18, 2016

welder516 said:
I would have hit him with the Taser as well , he don't need to come up on the officer like that .

So the law broken was..........?

Rack&Roll · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
I didn't see the tasable crime here.

Then you don't care about officer safety, or the fact that the driver rushed the officer with unknown intent. The driver's aggressive approach is not in dispute.

This officer was perfectly within protocol to tase this guy with a non-lethal option--even without issuing a single command.

Remember the 21 foot rule and the fraction of a second it takes to deploy a knife, which WILL go through a ballistic vest.

GunnyHwy · Dec 18, 2016

Rack&Roll said:
Then you don't care about officer safety, or the fact that the driver rushed the officer with unknown intent. The driver's aggressive approach is not in dispute.

This officer was perfectly within protocol to tase this guy with a non-lethal option--even without issuing a single command.

Remember the 21 foot rule and the fraction of a second it takes to deploy a knife, which WILL go through a ballistic vest.

I didn't say that I didn't care about officer safety. I questioned what law was broken. I am watching football in my house with law enforcement right now and I get that they often come upon unpredictable situations. It certainly wasn't smart to approach the officer's vehicle in an agitated manner BUT...was it illegal?

ADR · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
I didn't see the tasable crime here.

You don't jump out of a car and approach an officer in an aggressive, posturing manor. You have split seconds to make decisions like that and the last thing you want to do is let someone get close enough to potentially hinder your abilty to deploy your weapons if need be and/or engage you. The officer was quick, decisive, and deployed a reasonable amount of force.

CypherPunk · Dec 18, 2016

There is no requirement to have committed a crime before being tazed, or even shot.

The requirement is for lethal force might be imminent [otherwise unavoidable] threat of serious bodily injury or death to the innocent.

Being a police officer likely removes the "otherwise unavoidable" similar to states with stand your ground laws.

The threshold for less than lethal force is probably lower.

Although many department policies (post Freddy Grey) now may have a retreat and/or de-escalation component.

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ADR · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
I didn't say that I didn't care about officer safety. I questioned what law was broken. I am watching football in my house with law enforcement right now and I get that they often come upon unpredictable situations. It certainly wasn't smart to approach the officer's vehicle in an agitated manner BUT...was it illegal?

Use of force isn't about punishment for a crime it's about defense of life.

eruby · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
So the law broken was..........?

He wasn't tazed for breaking the law, he was tazed for approaching the cop like a threat IMO.

nmyers · Dec 18, 2016

Still, it would have been nice to hear the officer give one "sir, get back in your car" command.

welder516 · Dec 18, 2016

GunnyHwy said:
So the law broken was..........?

When you do a stupid thing and roll up on an officer like that you get what you get .

He got too close for comfort IMHO , you get all up in someone's Koolaid like that all bets are off .

ADR · Dec 18, 2016

eruby said:
He wasn't tazed for breaking the law, he was tazed for approaching the cop like a threat IMO.

You are correct and had he not been quick enough to draw and deploy the taser requiring him to go hands on, some armchair quarterback would be crying because "he punched a man just for walking up to him".

ADR · Dec 18, 2016

nmyers said:
Still, it would have been nice to hear the officer give one "sir, get back in your car" command.

Screw nice.

SRD · Dec 18, 2016

nmyers said:
Still, it would have been nice to hear the officer give one "sir, get back in your car" command.

Not always enough time,seconds count.

Probably get flamed but tazer videos are like the " bully gets KO'd" videos,I lol.

swinokur · Dec 18, 2016

then he could have been nice. And dead.

Bravo to the cop.

eruby · Dec 18, 2016

nmyers said:
Still, it would have been nice to hear the officer give one "sir, get back in your car" command.

"It's nice to be nice to the nice." - Major Frank Burns.

Asshats get tazed. - eruby

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