SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

ThatGuy179 · Apr 20, 2012

my utah was a breeze, sat there for 3 hours got printed photos and notary. 45 days later there it is. maryland Sucks

ezliving · Apr 20, 2012

teratos said:
Why would your job have medical records on you?

As gmhowell said, you sign a release with the app.

The signed release on the app let's the MSP ask for what they want. Nothing requires the employer to respond to any of the requests for information.

teratos · Apr 20, 2012

ezliving said:
The signed release on the app let's the MSP ask for what they want. Nothing requires the employer to respond to any of the requests for information.

I am aware of the release, but why does an employer have any of your medical records? That is bizarre. A doctor's office will not release any medical records to anyone without a signed consent specifically for the release of medical records. The only other way those records would be released would be with a subpoena. That's it.

LCPIWB · Apr 20, 2012

ThatGuy179 said:
Hello everyone, new guy, first post. i mailed my application was recieved on 3-27, check cashed few days later,. I was contacted yesterday by a Det. from the jessup barracks and to verify my info and asked me if i had an email address incase he had any questions so i gave him my work email so i could print anything for documentation.
I received an email a little while later asking how long i have lived at my current address, leasing office phone# (wtf?), and how long i lived at my previous address.

Today i get a call and he asks for a number of someone he can talk to at my companys office so i gave him the president and the owners contact info. the president of the company cc'd me on a letter he had faxed over where they are asking for full disclosure of

-all medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment

-copies of all work related injuries or workers comp claims

-employment application and pre-employment records including any background investigation reports

-results of all polygraph examinations

-efficency or approval ratings for the past 2 years

- copies of all complaints or greivences filed by or against the applicant

Boy they are looking for any reason to deny

just remembered: he said he would be working on my app for 3 to 4 weeks

Please notify MSI and delegate Smigiel of these...If someone from MSI has not already PM'd you.

ThatGuy179 · Apr 20, 2012

how do i contact the great Delegate Smigiel

Inigoes · Apr 20, 2012

ThatGuy179 said:
how do i contact the great Delegate Smigiel

delegatemikesmigiel@gmail.com

ThatGuy179 · Apr 20, 2012

thanks

Merlin · Apr 20, 2012

ThatGuy179 said:
Hello everyone, new guy, first post. i mailed my application was recieved on 3-27, check cashed few days later,. I was contacted yesterday by a Det. from the jessup barracks and to verify my info and asked me if i had an email address incase he had any questions so i gave him my work email so i could print anything for documentation.
I received an email a little while later asking how long i have lived at my current address, leasing office phone# (wtf?), and how long i lived at my previous address.

Today i get a call and he asks for a number of someone he can talk to at my companys office so i gave him the president and the owners contact info. the president of the company cc'd me on a letter he had faxed over where they are asking for full disclosure of

-all medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment

-copies of all work related injuries or workers comp claims

-employment application and pre-employment records including any background investigation reports

-results of all polygraph examinations

-efficiency or approval ratings for the past 2 years

- copies of all complaints or greivences filed by or against the applicant

Boy they are looking for any reason to deny

just remembered: he said he would be working on my app for 3 to 4 weeks

Where do you work? You do not have to say the name, but can you tell what kind of business you work for?

Government?

ThatGuy179 · Apr 20, 2012

work for an electrical contractor

CypherPunk · Apr 20, 2012

Buff7mm said:
But the state will probably want to be there to smell the doctors finger.
This is totally ridiculous. What a fishing expedition.

If this is true, and not trolling...

In the MSP double secret manual of G&S definitions that the Superintendant cannot define...

Is there a chapter on disqualifying medical conditions?

Is inability to get an erection more likely a qualifying, or disqualifying factor?

MJD438 · Apr 20, 2012

ThatGuy179 said:
Hello everyone, new guy, first post. i mailed my application was recieved on 3-27, check cashed few days later,. I was contacted yesterday by a Det. from the jessup barracks and to verify my info and asked me if i had an email address incase he had any questions so i gave him my work email so i could print anything for documentation.
I received an email a little while later asking how long i have lived at my current address, leasing office phone# (wtf?), and how long i lived at my previous address.

Today i get a call and he asks for a number of someone he can talk to at my companys office so i gave him the president and the owners contact info. the president of the company cc'd me on a letter he had faxed over where they are asking for full disclosure of

-all medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment

-copies of all work related injuries or workers comp claims

-employment application and pre-employment records including any background investigation reports

-results of all polygraph examinations

-efficency or approval ratings for the past 2 years

- copies of all complaints or greivences filed by or against the applicant

Boy they are looking for any reason to deny

just remembered: he said he would be working on my app for 3 to 4 weeks

Holy Shit! The state is itching for another lawsuit with this baseless shit.

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CypherPunk · Apr 20, 2012

teratos said:
I am aware of the release, but why does an employer have any of your medical records? That is bizarre. A doctor's office will not release any medical records to anyone without a signed consent specifically for the release of medical records. The only other way those records would be released would be with a subpoena. That's it.

My company's policy is that all reference inquiries are referred to the CEO.

The CEO will CONFIRM, but not provide the dates of employment and position. No other release of information is authorized. I know, because I wrote the policy.

GBMaryland · Apr 20, 2012

ezliving said:
The signed release on the app let's the MSP ask for what they want. Nothing requires the employer to respond to any of the requests for information.

I don't think it dawns on the current State Officials that:

1) Some of us can afford to single handedly spend a few million or so sueing them.

2) Don't care that they think the document they had us sign saying we wouldn't hold them liable will actually stop us from sueing them.

I fully plan I going nuclear the moment I get screwed with, if I am....

Merlin · Apr 20, 2012

CypherPunk said:
If this is true, and not trolling...

In the MSP double secret manual of G&S definitions that the Superintendant cannot define...

Is there a chapter on disqualifying medical conditions?

Is inability to get an erection more likely a qualifying, or disqualifying factor?

Right, but doesn't that only apply to the following questions on page 7?

(17)
(18)
(19)
(21)

Merlin · Apr 20, 2012

ThatGuy179 said:
Hello everyone, new guy, first post. i mailed my application was recieved on 3-27, check cashed few days later,. I was contacted yesterday by a Det. from the jessup barracks and to verify my info and asked me if i had an email address incase he had any questions so i gave him my work email so i could print anything for documentation.
I received an email a little while later asking how long i have lived at my current address, leasing office phone# (wtf?), and how long i lived at my previous address.

Today i get a call and he asks for a number of someone he can talk to at my companys office so i gave him the president and the owners contact info. the president of the company cc'd me on a letter he had faxed over where they are asking for full disclosure of

-all medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment

-copies of all work related injuries or workers comp claims

-employment application and pre-employment records including any background investigation reports

-results of all polygraph examinations

-efficency or approval ratings for the past 2 years

- copies of all complaints or greivences filed by or against the applicant

Boy they are looking for any reason to deny

just remembered: he said he would be working on my app for 3 to 4 weeks

If you worked for a place that did that kind of back ground check, polygraph examinations, and had medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment records on you, I would think that would only release this info if the MSP were doing a criminal investigation on you and that's if the MSP provided a warrant to cover them from litigation.

Unless I'm 100% wrong, I would guess that kind of place that had all of this would not give up the info just because John or Jim that works for us said it was OK to give it up. The back ground check and polygraph examinations they wouldn't even show the employee if asked.

Am I wrong?

Merlin · Apr 20, 2012

ezliving said:
The signed release on the app let's the MSP ask for what they want. Nothing requires the employer to respond to any of the requests for information.

But some of these things is out of the applicants control. As well as the company may want a warrant to cover them from litigation.

gmhowell · Apr 20, 2012

Merlin said:
But some of these things is out of the applicants control. As well as the company may want a warrant to cover them from litigation.

I think this is it. There's probably more than one person on here with a security clearance, and I have to imagine the FBI would respond to the MSP with a big '**** you' when the latter asks for all of that information. It belongs to the FBI, and isn't the cleared person's to hand out.

dblas · Apr 20, 2012

Merlin said:
If you worked for a place that did that kind of back ground check, polygraph examinations, and had medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment records on you, I would think that would only release this info if the MSP were doing a criminal investigation on you and that's if the MSP provided a warrant to cover them from litigation.

Unless I'm 100% wrong, I would guess that kind of place that had all of this would not give up the info just because John or Jim that works for us said it was OK to give it up. The back ground check and polygraph examinations they wouldn't even show the employee if asked.

Am I wrong?

In the past when the GSA/DOD/.gov has been asked for security clearance background investigation files, the Fed has told anyone and everyone that has asked to go pound sand. I am sure that a business can do the same if they so desire and it is articulated in the company's employment verification policy.

Robert · Apr 20, 2012

GBMaryland said:
I don't think it dawns on the current State Officials that:

1) Some of us can afford to single handedly spend a few million or so sueing them.

2) Don't care that they think the document they had us sign saying we wouldn't hold them liable will actually stop us from sueing them.

I fully plan I going nuclear the moment I get screwed with, if I am....

You're not going to out spend the government. Each year their budgets just get bigger and bigger (partly due to the prev. years litigation cost..)

Merlin · Apr 20, 2012

When they come up with the list of questions they want to ask, are they not required to ask everyone the same questions?

I can see it now. Please provide the following;

-all medical and psychiatric consultation and or treatment

-copies of all work related injuries or workers comp claims

-employment application and pre-employment records including any background investigation reports

-results of all polygraph examinations

-efficiency or approval ratings for the past 2 years

- copies of all complaints or greivences filed by or against the applicant

- the last 10 music albums you bought

- A list of the last 7 items you returns to the story to include a short essay on the reasons why you returned them.

- An explanation of why you wanted to work for the company your currently employed.

- A list of the last 5 project you installed as an electrician as well as an explanation of why it took you so long to complete the projects.

- A list of places you wife goes when your not with her.

- A detailed list of the times you received detention in grade school. Please include all teachers names , home addresses, and personnel phone numbers.

- A list of movies that make you sad enough to cry.

- who did you vote for the last election?

- Who are you going to vote for next election?

- Dog or cats name

- Reasons your a dog person or cat person. (If you own both a dog and a cat please explained who you can't decide.)

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