SAF SUES IN MARYLAND OVER HANDGUN PERMIT DENIAL UPDATED 3-5-12

teratos · Mar 6, 2012

Patrick said:
I met with Del. Dwyer today and he is serious about the issue. So is Smigiel. I'd say send note of your application to them and to MSI.

We are going to track these. We intend to compile a small DB of statuses for future use in potential amicus briefs, etc. And if someone pops and asks the question, "Hey, who do we know who falls under this condition...", we will have ready access to a pool of people. Remember that Ray Woollard was originally found via this forum. We would obviously contact you directly before ever considering a release of personal info. Think of it as a judicial match-making service.

I will e-mail Del Smigiel about my application, How do I notify MSI? I sent it in 1/30/12. Mine is a renewal, so I should get mine without issue. Are you guys interested in that, or more interested in denials?

Inigoes · Mar 6, 2012

krucam said:
See? No S&W .500....

Go big or go home

Remember, lovefreedom82 says size does matter :lol2:

jmira · Mar 6, 2012

Leroi said:
Well I know earlier you mentioned possibly going up to Maryland Livescan in Glen Burnie. Is that the place?

actually yes.. my experience is posted here.. posted it here and not in a new thread..

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=1540923&postcount=23

wreckdiver · Mar 6, 2012

Strange question. I was arrested when I was a kid for setting off firecrackers in the glorious state of NJ. It was a misdemeanor for disorderly conduct. Should I be concerned for the MD app? Also, how do I obtain this:

For #12 on page 7, include the date, circumstances, charge and attach official court disposition.

It has never affected any job application, handgun purchase or anything else ever.

Just checked into this. No arrest, just a fine like a parking ticket. Looks like I'm god to go.

Bohlieve410 · Mar 6, 2012

teratos said:
This should not be a disqualifier for the exercise of a fundamental Constitutional right.

I sure hope not, we'll see what monkey wrenches the Inner Party throws in the process. Thanks Teratos!

awptickes · Mar 6, 2012

Wow, lots of good info in here in the past 24 hours.

I'm cautious about applying now, because it's been said before "When it's time, MSI will tell you when to apply." $125 isn't a lot of money, but I'd rather earn interest on it in my savings account if the other option is to donate it to the MSP.

Boondock Saint · Mar 6, 2012

awptickes said:
Wow, lots of good info in here in the past 24 hours.

I'm cautious about applying now, because it's been said before "When it's time, MSI will tell you when to apply." $125 isn't a lot of money, but I'd rather earn interest on it in my savings account if the other option is to donate it to the MSP.

As of this afternoon, MSI told you to apply.

Don't spend your rent money on the permit, don't apply if you can be rejected on objective grounds (felon, drunk, pot head, etc.), be prepared to lose the money and not get a permit. Read the latest update for more info.

Patrick · Mar 6, 2012

awptickes said:
Wow, lots of good info in here in the past 24 hours.

I'm cautious about applying now, because it's been said before "When it's time, MSI will tell you when to apply." $125 isn't a lot of money, but I'd rather earn interest on it in my savings account if the other option is to donate it to the MSP.

MSI says, "If you can afford the fee, get in line."

That means nobody drops rent money. The risk is simple: the state could eff us all. If you blow that much money on ammo, food and drink then feel free to apply and go sober another night.

The state claims a 90%+ approval rate, and that is ********. Every app they hold or deny - as of now - is a civil rights violation. I don't care what the court calls it: it is a violation.

We will be heard.

NY Transplant · Mar 6, 2012

Donated to MSI.

Vendicator · Mar 6, 2012

Patrick said:
MSI says, "If you can afford the fee, get in line."

That means nobody drops rent money. The risk is simple: the state could eff us all. If you blow that much money on ammo, food and drink then feel free to apply and go sober another night.

The state claims a 90%+ approval rate, and that is ********. Every app they hold or deny - as of now - is a civil rights violation. I don't care what the court calls it: it is a violation.

We will be heard.

Hell yeah! I was going to wait, but am filling out the paper work right now for my MD permit.

EDIT*: Leaving this last line for reference if anyone asks or is wondering, but I just read the form, and yes I can get the cards needed from the MSP and get fingerprinted there.*
Anyone know if getting fingerprinted at the MSP barracks will cover it? I noticed it said something along FBI and State fingerprint cards, do I need both or something?

Dklo · Mar 6, 2012

I got a question about the application. In 2002 my ex girlfriend served me with an exparte order AFTER I left the relationship. Her reasons were completely false (she actually had just gotten out of Sheppard Pratt after a 2 week stay and was awaiting trial for 2 counts of filing a false statement to a police officer) and at the hearing in CIVIL court we were granted relief from each other for one year. I cited the case numbers in my app. Would this be grounds for denial even though I am no longer subject to the order?

Also I have seen a psychiatrist for stress and depression after a family members death. Never been committed or anything. Will that disqualify me? I wouldn't put it past MSP to label me a violent mentally unstable person, even though I meet every other objective criteria.

Hopalong · Mar 6, 2012

Patrick said:
MSI says, "If you can afford the fee, get in line."

That means nobody drops rent money. The risk is simple: the state could eff us all. If you blow that much money on ammo, food and drink then feel free to apply and go sober another night.

The state claims a 90%+ approval rate, and that is ********. Every app they hold or deny - as of now - is a civil rights violation. I don't care what the court calls it: it is a violation.

We will be heard.

Patrick/MSI leadership:

I've seen lots of good information in this thread about how to apply. I would strongly suggest that someone who knows the process compile all of the steps into one place (a la Emily Miller in DC) and have that post stickied in this section. If you really want a flood of applications, make it easy on the individual water drops. B^)

Glaug-Eldare · Mar 6, 2012

This is my favorite line:

(25) On the attached continuation sheet, list all past employers for the last five (5) years: Must include company name, address, telephone number, dates worked, position of employment, supervisor's name and reason for leaving.

I'm a goddamn mariner. I don't remember every first I worked for on nine separate ships. Two of those ships don't even exist anymore! What a gem of a question.

ATTYSHOOTER · Mar 6, 2012

WJZ Covers Wollard Victory

Attached, for those interested, is a WJZ story – to run tonight on Ch. 13.

After the ad, there are a few stories first, but ours picks up at 31 seconds and runs through 1 minute, 57 seconds:

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/...-to-appeal-unconstitutionality-of-md-gun-law/

Thanks again for all of your support.

Norton · Mar 6, 2012

Maryland Hunter said:
No, not there either. There is no duty to retreat law in MD, in or out of the home.

MH

You'll not find duty to retreat in most states' "laws". However it is firmly entrenched in case law that you do in fact have a duty to retreat outside of the home.

fightinbluhen51 · Mar 6, 2012

Dklo said:
Just heard from my friend who has a friend in the states attorney's office. He said they are going apeshit. The didnt expect to lose and didn't prepare for it.

Bwahahahahahah...That's friggin awesome.

Glaug-Eldare · Mar 6, 2012

Whether you have a duty to retreat outside the home or not, my preference would be escape instead of continue a confrontation. Every encounter is different, but my goal is for the threat to end. If I have the opportunity to remove myself from the threat, I'll take it. If I don't...well, then it's time to use some force and make a hole or drop the opponent. Everything depends on the circumstances, and if the gun never has to leave the holster, that's all the better.

Patrick · Mar 6, 2012

Hopalong said:
Patrick/MSI leadership:

I've seen lots of good information in this thread about how to apply. I would strongly suggest that someone who knows the process compile all of the steps into one place (a la Emily Miller in DC) and have that post stickied in this section. If you really want a flood of applications, make it easy on the individual water drops. B^)

Duly noted.

slog403 · Mar 6, 2012

Joined MSI and SAF. The least I can do for now with all the hard work they've done to prove this is possible. Thanks again guys.

PJDiesel · Mar 6, 2012

gfmgp said:
We need a Maryland CCW class like the Utah to get everything done in one place. I think that would get the MSPs attention.

No,.... we don't. :sad20:

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