Pistol Transfer from NY to MD

DENWA · Jun 27, 2017

Wife's Grandfather passed away at 99 last year.

Mother-IN-Law finds WWI? era colt 1911 in perfect condition. Calls police.

They take it and keep it for 8 months, then call her and have her register it on her NY Permit.

She is older and has asked to transfer it to me.

1. I have not purchased a Pistol since before Living in MD more than 15 years ago.

2. I do NOT have an HQL. Do I need one for this?

3. I am heading up to NY Friday to Visit. Do I need to do anything to start Transfer?

Thanks for the help

Dennis

zoostation · Jun 27, 2017

Good news is because the pistol is older than 50 years it is C&R and you won't need an HQL. There are online resources you can use to look up the year of manufacture by S/N.

You will need to have it shipped to an FFL in Maryland who can do the transfer to you. Many good people in the IP section here who can help you. That's not just state it's federal. In most circumstances you can't transfer a firearm between parties across state lines without going through an FFL. Make sure whatever FFL you use understands about the C&R exemption to the HQL.

Doctor_M · Jun 27, 2017

Good luck with things. Shouldn't be to problematic for you. Treasure it... sounds like a wonderful piece of family history.

zoostation · Jun 27, 2017

Not as well versed in NY state laws but pretty sure she will need a dealer to ship it out of NY up there too. Don't think they let you ship it yourself there. Could be wrong but I believe that is required there.

rseymorejr · Jun 27, 2017

If you have a little time, 30 days or so, you can apply for a C&R license and have it shipped directly to you.

knastera · Jun 27, 2017

Here is the link to get your C&R:
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/f...lics-federal-firearms-license-atf-form-531016

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DENWA · Jun 27, 2017

Thanks. I'm looking into dealers that will handle the transfer here in Montgomery County. Also trying to run down some dealers in Rochester to expedite the process on Mom's side. Because I'm sure she'll need proof of transfer to get it off her license.

dblas · Jun 27, 2017

DENWA said:
Thanks. I'm looking into dealers that will handle the transfer here in Montgomery County. Also trying to run down some dealers in Rochester to expedite the process on Mom's side. Because I'm sure she'll need proof of transfer to get it off her license.

Atlantic Guns, Engage Armament, United Gun Shop.

knastera · Jun 27, 2017

DENWA said:
Thanks. I'm looking into dealers that will handle the transfer here in Montgomery County. Also trying to run down some dealers in Rochester to expedite the process on Mom's side. Because I'm sure she'll need proof of transfer to get it off her license.

It will probably cost you more to do the transfers and shipping than the $30 for the C&R. Plus, the C&R lets you give that wonderful old gun some friends from Russia, Poland, Romania, etc.

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whistlersmother · Jun 27, 2017

Another vote for the C&R, if you have the time. About 30 days to get the license. Don't know about the NY side, but the MD side is easy - no HQL (it's C&R) and no 77R since it was acquired out-of-state. Simply record it in your new bound volume.

What does NY require for proof the gun was transferred to an FFL03 in another state?

HordesOfKailas · Jun 27, 2017

knastera said:
It will probably cost you more to do the transfers and shipping than the $30 for the C&R. Plus, the C&R lets you give that wonderful old gun some friends from Russia, Poland, Romania, etc.

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Wisdom here. >6 weeks for the license.

lazarus · Jun 27, 2017

zoostation said:
Good news is because the pistol is older than 50 years it is C&R and you won't need an HQL. There are online resources you can use to look up the year of manufacture by S/N.

You will need to have it shipped to an FFL in Maryland who can do the transfer to you. Many good people in the IP section here who can help you. That's not just state it's federal. In most circumstances you can't transfer a firearm between parties across state lines without going through an FFL. Make sure whatever FFL you use understands about the C&R exemption to the HQL.

Wouldn't you still have to have a federal C&R license for the exemption to count?

Edit: never mind, y'all answered that. Can she ship it since she doesn't have a C&R? I know he could receive it as it is a C&R if he had a C&R license. Also can't ship it USPS. Handguns through USPS are a no go, C&R or no C&R

Biggfoot44 · Jun 28, 2017

In the OP's situation , the time pressures on the NY end are the defining factor. I'm not a NY expert, but as I recall seeing, there is a very narrow time frame to either : Transfer to relative in NY, Transfer out of state, or surrender to Police .

When time is of the essence , have your relative do what needs be done on NY end to ship to Md FFL. OP can then do the 77R without HQL, since the gun is C&R eligible.

Atlantic is $$ for transfers. United is $50 , kinda so-so in rest of state, but cheap by MoCo standards.

lazarus · Jun 28, 2017

Biggfoot44 said:
In the OP's situation , the time pressures on the NY end are the defining factor. I'm not a NY expert, but as I recall seeing, there is a very narrow time frame to either : Transfer to relative in NY, Transfer out of state, or surrender to Police .

When time is of the essence , have your relative do what needs be done on NY end to ship to Md FFL. OP can then do the 77R without HQL, since the gun is C&R eligible.

Atlantic is $$ for transfers. United is $50 , kinda so-so in rest of state, but cheap by MoCo standards.

? Can you? I thought the only way to skip the HQL (other than those individuals who are exempt) with a handgun was build one yourself or with a C&R license if it is a C&R item and then only a transfer while out of state.

I hate Maryland. I really hate that they've intentionally made this shit so damn obtuse.

whistlersmother · Jun 28, 2017

lazarus said:
? Can you? I thought the only way to skip the HQL (other than those individuals who are exempt) with a handgun was build one yourself or with a C&R license if it is a C&R item and then only a transfer while out of state.

I hate Maryland. I really hate that they've intentionally made this shit so damn obtuse.

C&R handguns are exempt from the HQL regardless how/where purchased.

If you buy a C&R handgun in MD, you do a 77R and check-off the "C&R Handgun" HQL exemption. You DO NOT need a FFL03 to avoid the HQL, even when purchasing within MD.

If you buy a C&R handgun outside of MD, you need your FFL03, bound volume, but you DO NOT need the HQL NOR the 77R.

swinokur · Jun 28, 2017

bingo.
.

jjbduke2004 · Jun 28, 2017

DENWA said:
Because I'm sure she'll need proof of transfer to get it off her license.

Correct.

lazarus · Jun 28, 2017

whistlersmother said:
C&R handguns are exempt from the HQL regardless how/where purchased.

If you buy a C&R handgun in MD, you do a 77R and check-off the "C&R Handgun" HQL exemption. You DO NOT need a FFL03 to avoid the HQL, even when purchasing within MD.

If you buy a C&R handgun outside of MD, you need your FFL03, bound volume, but you DO NOT need the HQL NOR the 77R.

Oh. Well that is cool. I didn't realize that. So 77r for a C&R handgun, but no HQL needed and you don't actually have to have your C&R license? Or do you? Sounds like you don't.

Either way and for so many reasons it sounds like as soon as I mail off my DC application tomorrow I need to get my crap together and send in my C&R application.

whistlersmother · Jun 28, 2017

lazarus said:
Oh. Well that is cool. I didn't realize that. So 77r for a C&R handgun, but no HQL needed and you don't actually have to have your C&R license? Or do you? Sounds like you don't.

Either way and for so many reasons it sounds like as soon as I mail off my DC application tomorrow I need to get my crap together and send in my C&R application.

For transfers within MD, C&R license is irrelavant. You do not need it to purchase a C&R handgun in MD. You do not need an HQL either. You do need to do the 77R and wait 7 days. Without DC, you will need to wait 30 days before receiving another handgun on 77R.

I was hesitant on getting a FFL03, but it is really GREAT for acquiring out-of-state C&R handguns. No 77R, no 7 day wait, no 30 days between receiving another, shipped overnight to your door. Some record keeping to meet federal requirements, but simple. And the types of handguns available are typically steel, weird, different calibers (commie calibers), etc.

DENWA · Jun 29, 2017

whistlersmother said:
For transfers within MD, C&R license is irrelavant. You do not need it to purchase a C&R handgun in MD. You do not need an HQL either. You do need to do the 77R and wait 7 days. Without DC, you will need to wait 30 days before receiving another handgun on 77R.

I was hesitant on getting a FFL03, but it is really GREAT for acquiring out-of-state C&R handguns. No 77R, no 7 day wait, no 30 days between receiving another, shipped overnight to your door. Some record keeping to meet federal requirements, but simple. And the types of handguns available are typically steel, weird, different calibers (commie calibers), etc.

C&R sounds like a great deal.

BUT the timing on this deal is quick. I'm heading there to morrow to fill out the paper work at the county clerk to take tot he notary to have a Bill of sale to take it to an FFL in NY to have it transferred to them to ship it to here in MD.

ALL of this MUST be done in 7 days. or Transfer to NY state police.

BTW-- Mom says she found it nearly 3 years ago when Grandpa was sick and turned it in then. NY State police had trouble with 6-digit US ARMY issue 1911 built in 1917.

I'll try to add pictures but it looks in EXCELLENT SHAPE.

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