HB786/SB737 RIFLE & SHOTGUN SENATE TODAY 4/5 11AM

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

The Senate will take up HB786 and SB737 today (4/5) on the floor for second read and amendments starting at 11AM. If they do what the House did yesterday, we might see a second session added in the afternoon to take up those bills' third readers.

Both bills were returned favorable with amendments from Judicial Proceedings, but the amendments have not been posted yet. Please contact your senators and let them know how you feel about these. Call ASAP!

At a minimum, the known HB0786 mandates a NICS check for all private long gun transactions. It will impact some youth programs that make seasonal (not daily) loans to shooters.

Tell them that these bills do nothing but impact your lives and will do nothing to reduce violent crime.

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

T-minus 2 hours and counting. I still don't see the amendments referenced in the committee report posted.

budman93 · Apr 5, 2019

So that means that the house version was further amended in the senate as well as the senate version was amended? What is the point of both of these bills being moved when they are nearly identical?

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

This is all I have to go on about Judicial Proceedings amending HB0786:

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/votes_comm/hb0786_jpr.pdf

They checked the Favorable with amendment box. The amendment(s) still have not been posted yet.

MJD438 · Apr 5, 2019

budman93 said:
So that means that the house version was further amended in the senate as well as the senate version was amended? What is the point of both of these bills being moved when they are nearly identical?

Having cross-filed bills in the same format makes it easier to justify passage. Cross-filed bills that are not exactly the same leads to conference committees.

Deep Lurker · Apr 5, 2019

Listening now to the Senate live-streaming their floor session: I just heard Miller address the “many people sitting in the gallery waiting for the gun bills” and he advised them that the gun bills are the very last order of business on the agenda today in this floor session, and he “thanks them in advance for their patience.”

Listen for: JPR Committee Reports 41 (SB737) and 42 (HB786)

Abacab · Apr 5, 2019

The amendments are up and it's huge but until third reading k can't make heads or tails of it.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Apr 5, 2019

They're the last order of business to make people get tired and frustrated and leave...plus the media will leave earlier as well so there will be little reporting of it. This is an intentional tactic. The apologies are not sincere.

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

Looks to me like they are changing hb0786 to apply only to "sales" and not all "transfers". But I'm not entirely certain of this...

danb · Apr 5, 2019

they changed "transferee" and "transferror" to basically buyer/seller (not sure why except clarity) and it looks as though they lined up the loan language with what already passed.

But the amendment says "incomplete" so this may not be all.

Deep Lurker · Apr 5, 2019

Current Senate floor session ending now, recessing until 4PM.

Long gun bills now moved to the 4 PM Senate floor session because of the confusion over the amendments.

Wonder if the Reds will stick around for the 4 PM session.

Maybe they could just stretch their legs with some Red (or Brown Shirt) Marching, if they can walk:

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

Their buses may not have been rented for that long.

Deep Lurker · Apr 5, 2019

The Senate refused amendments to the long gun transfer bill SB 737 to make the theft of a firearm a felony.

As Sen. Cassilly pointed out: it will become less criminal in Maryland to steal a firearm (risking only a potential misdemeanor conviction: less than 90 days plus a fine for the property value of the stolen firearm, was cited) than to transfer a long gun with a bill of sale (but without a background check), incriminating you for the five-year misdemeanor penalty they want in the new bill.

Disclaimer: “No criminals will be harmed in the passage of these long gun transfer bills.”

fidelity · Apr 5, 2019

PowPow said:
Their buses may not have been rented for that long.

Lol, probably true.

Deep Lurker said:
The Senate refused amendments to the long gun transfer bill SB 737 to make the theft of a firearm a felony.

As Sen. Cassilly pointed out: it will become less criminal in Maryland to steal a firearm (risking only a potential misdemeanor conviction) than to transfer a long gun with a bill of sale (but without a background check), incriminating you for the five-year felony penalty they want in the new bill.

Disclaimer: “No criminals will be harmed in the passage of these long gun transfer bills.”

So less of a penalty if someone steals your gun vs you transfer to them without a background check? A stealing loophole?

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Occam · Apr 5, 2019

fidelity said:
A stealing loophole?

If I could still laugh about ANY of this, I'd definitely laugh at that.

PowPow · Apr 5, 2019

Deep Lurker said:
The Senate refused amendments to the long gun transfer bill SB 737 to make the theft of a firearm a felony.

As Sen. Cassilly pointed out: it will become less criminal in Maryland to steal a firearm (risking only a potential misdemeanor conviction) than to transfer a long gun with a bill of sale (but without a background check), incriminating you for the five-year felony penalty they want in the new bill.

Disclaimer: “No criminals will be harmed in the passage of these long gun transfer bills.”

The bills and amendments that I saw all still had misdemeanor penalties up to 5 years for violation of the new transfer/sales provisions.

fidelity · Apr 5, 2019

Occam said:
If I could still laugh about ANY of this, I'd definitely laugh at that.

Amazing, but it seems to be the ~~Maryland~~ MGA way.

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BeoBill · Apr 5, 2019

fidelity said:
Lol, probably true.

So less of a penalty if someone steals your gun vs you transfer to them without a background check? A stealing loophole?

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Protecting the Baltimore voter base.

Deep Lurker · Apr 5, 2019

lazarus · Apr 5, 2019

I am wondering if the buyer/seller change is being made so that loans don’t have such damned narrowed provisions? Not sure why they’d change it otherwise. I’d really like to see the actual text of the senate version.

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