Disappointing Hogan the Best Option in Anti-Gun Maryland

RoadDawg · Oct 26, 2018

dblas said:
So you are OK with maintaining a 2 party system that really doesn't give a damn about your rights at all?

Okay with it?

That’s a rather myopic way of presenting an accusatory question.

IF... IF... IF that two party system is moving in a direction which can benefit us? AND... it is ALL we currently have as a viable option? I am going to use the tools available until a better option presents itself.

That better option is not here at this time and damn if I’m going to cut my nose off to spite my face by voting to allow a Socialist to govern me.

RoadDawg · Oct 26, 2018

Ranchero50 said:
Doesn't England have a 3 party system? Doesn't seem to be working very well.

It’s what gave them their current leader. :tdown:

It’s also what gave Virginia a dem governor. The dems financed the libertarian candidate... “just enough” so he would drag enough votes from the republican to cause the dems to win.

dblas · Oct 26, 2018

RoadDawg said:
Okay with it?

That’s a rather myopic way of presenting an accusatory question.

IF... IF... IF that two party system is moving in a direction which can benefit us? AND... it is ALL we currently have as a viable option? I am going to use the tools available until a better option presents itself.

That better option is not here at this time and damn if I’m going to cut my nose off to spite my face by voting to allow a Socialist to govern me.

You know me better than that, I don't do accusatory questions like that, that question was a simple, "just for my information" question.

You make valid point with the tools at hand, but given what has transpired over the last several years, and given that Hogan as said flat out "who else are they going to vote for" (the 2A community). I took that to mean he thinks we are beholden to him, and I won't vote for ANYONE that thinks we are beholden to them. I have made my decision for the top of the ticket.

RoadDawg · Oct 26, 2018

dblas said:
You know me better than that, I don't do accusatory questions like that, that question was a simple, "just for my information" question.

You make valid point with the tools at hand, but given what has transpired over the last several years, and given that Hogan as said flat out "who else are they going to vote for" (the 2A community). I took that to mean he thinks we are beholden to him, and I won't vote for ANYONE that thinks we are beholden to them. I have made my decision for the top of the ticket.

Fair enough.

But how many Virginia voters “made their decision” only to regret it now that they have a dem governor?

Voting principles only works when it is a viable option. Otherwise it is a self defeating act which benefits the very folks who are in the business of completely destroying those principles.

We are in a situation where we need to maintain momentum. Regardless of what we think about the vehicle that is getting us there. To do anything to stop that momentum... is simply political suicide.

bibitor · Oct 26, 2018

I know this board is (mostly) dedicated to firearms and firearm related topics, but that's not the case with our state government.

I am just as disappointed in lawn chair Larry as anyone on here. When it come to his position on the second amendment, and our state's infringement on the same, I too feel the desire to abstain from voting for our current governor.

Politicians are, by nature, people who lack character. A Hunter Thompson quote comes to mind, and though he was talking about journalism, politics fits the bill nicely as well: "[Politics] is a cheap catch-all for f!%#offs and misfits - a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage."

That said, our state government has the ability to affect our lives in a lot of ways that go far beyond gun rights. So I'm asking for folks to show-up and vote for Hogan because I want him to be the masturbating wino in Annapolis appointing judges and bureaucrats for another four years, instead of a taxoholic socialist like Ben Jealous. That's my $0.02 anyhow.

SCV/SAR Patriot · Oct 26, 2018

Bravo dblas!

TexDefender · Oct 26, 2018

dblas said:
Oh, I fully understand it will take baby steps to get back what we have lost over 40+ years, but when a "2A friendly" governor signs the kinds of bills he did this last session instead of vetoing them, it sets us back further and give us that much more work to do.

In addition, I also understand that it will take baby steps to break the programming of the 2 party system, I have at least become de-programmed enough to stop voting for either of the major parties that really don't give a damn about our rights. When will you become de-programmed to do so?

When there is a realistic candidate that accomplish what you seem to aspire to. But until then I refuse to vote for a socialist, a person that has a snowball chance of winning, or fail to vote at all. Pretty simple in my mind.

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TexDefender · Oct 26, 2018

Abacab said:
Hogan can't stop a redistricting plan if the legislature wills it. Stop repeating this lie.

So run up your white flag of surrender. Some of us choose to fight.

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RoadDawg · Oct 26, 2018

Abacab said:
Hogan can't stop a redistricting plan if the legislature wills it. Stop repeating this lie.

No...

Hogan cannot stop a redistricting plan...

BUT... he CAN and IS drawing more and more support in the state for the more conservative folks who are starting to be accepted into offices where eventually THEY can fix what needs fixing.

OR... f' Hogan and dump him now... so those folks will never have a chance in hell of getting into those positions...

That will really help our cause in the long run...

...so long as our "cause" involves abandoning this state and letting it fall to the Socialists.

FOCUS man... look at the overall picture... Hogan is but ONE brick in the wall.

Abacab · Oct 27, 2018

TexDefender said:
So run up your white flag of surrender. Some of us choose to fight.

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Yeah I want to be on the side that fights for bump stock bans and red flag laws.

RoadDawg · Oct 27, 2018

Abacab said:
Yeah I want to be on the side that fights for bump stock bans and red flag laws.

No one on this side is fighting for either of those things.

But we do realize that there is NO perfect candidate running in this race... NONE who has any chance of ever winning.

So... we must look at who is going to bring the most conservative people into the State Offices and Courts.

Will that be Hogan? Or will it be Jealous?

Because ONE of those two... WILL be the Governor of Maryland. No other candidates who are in this race... can possibly win.

That’s the simple truth. Like it or don’t.

And a vote which doesn’t go to one of them... only makes it easier for the other.

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

Biggfoot44 said:
Whatever you do , don't write in , vote for one of the Candidates on the Ballot .

For which there are four: the other two being Libertarian Shawn Quinn and Green Party candidate Ian Schlakman!

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

RoadDawg said:
No...

Hogan cannot stop a redistricting plan...

BUT... he CAN and IS drawing more and more support in the state for the more conservative folks who are starting to be accepted into offices where eventually THEY can fix what needs fixing.

OR... f' Hogan and dump him now... so those folks will never have a chance in hell of getting into those positions...

That will really help our cause in the long run...

...so long as our "cause" involves abandoning this state and letting it fall to the Socialists.

FOCUS man... look at the overall picture... Hogan is but ONE brick in the wall.

What I want to see is 141 SINGLE-MEMBER Delegate districts statewide; NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

RoadDawg said:
Fair enough.

But how many Virginia voters “made their decision” only to regret it now that they have a dem governor?

Voting principles only works when it is a viable option. Otherwise it is a self defeating act which benefits the very folks who are in the business of completely destroying those principles.

We are in a situation where we need to maintain momentum. Regardless of what we think about the vehicle that is getting us there. To do anything to stop that momentum... is simply political suicide.

Which is why we need ranked choice or instant runoff voting!

RoadDawg · Oct 27, 2018

klutch said:
What I want to see is 141 SINGLE-MEMBER Delegate districts statewide; NO EXCEPTIONS!!!

klutch said:
Which is why we need ranked choice or instant runoff voting!

Do we have... and can we use either of those in THIS election?

No?

Then don’t waste votes on “also rans”. Keep the Socialist out of our state house.

Racer Doug14 · Oct 27, 2018

dblas said:
So you are OK with maintaining a 2 party system that really doesn't give a damn about your rights at all?

So if Smigel runs for Governor as a Republican you wouldn't vote for him? But if Frosh was an independent you would. Hogan is really a independent. But, he could bring up a more pro2a candidate in 2022. That would be irrelevant if you have the same dark blue MGA. I doubt this state ever changes much politically.

Biggfoot44 · Oct 27, 2018

I would vote For Smigel , whatever party or none he runs . I would oppose Frosh, whatever party or none , that he runs .

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

RoadDawg said:
Do we have... and can we use either of those in THIS election?

No?

Then don’t waste votes on “also rans”. Keep the Socialist out of our state house.

Which is why if you find yourself in 'progressive' circles, don your "Schlakan for Governor" or (better yet) "Quinn for Governor" garb, etc. in an effort to dilute as many communistic encroachments as possible. The fact that Jealous has many people bailing on him should tell you something!We need to keep that momentum going NO MATTER WHAT!

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

Not_an_outlaw said:
I am with you brother.

I'm right there with you, too!

klutch · Oct 27, 2018

GTOGUNNER said:
I'll leave this to speak for it self.

There are FOUR choices on the ballot! The ONLY TRUE pro-gun candidate is Shawn Quinn! If you want your vote to count for something rather than against something worse, Strongly consider Shawn Quinn on Election Day!

https://www.facebook.com/Quinn4Governor/

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