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sxs said:

That is what appears to be happening. Right after MLK day, we had just 2 or 3 handguns to be picked up and all 3 had a day added to their 7 day wait. We have 4 to be picked up this week which follows Presidents day. 3 of 4 had a 7 day pickup. One had an 8 day pickup (it was purchased on Tuesday before Presidents Day but the stated release date on the Final Disposition Column was for Weds Feb 22. Another handgun purchased on Weds Feb 15 is scheduled for release by MSP on Weds Feb 22 as well. Two others purchased last week have 7 day releases also specified. Given this difference, I am inclined to believe that the software isn't the issue, but that individuals are responsible for entering the release dates into the Final Disposition Column on the Dealers portal.

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Pinecone said:

I would expect some of these smallish issues.

Places where the programmers were not quite clear on the rules. But that is why there is maintenance.

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abu Haqiqa said:

Have you let MSP know about the discrepancies? I imagine they'd like to know if there's a training/SOP issue with how they're handling this process, and you have the documentary evidence that those of us on the consumer end can't provide...

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sxs said:

I did make it known via a phone call back in January. I was too busy Tuesday and Wednesday this week (my work days) to take time to make the call. Yesterday, I was busy with personal things. I will try to find time to make another call sometime soon.

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sxs said:

The issue doesn't surprise me. I am a retired IT Systems Programmer who worked closely at times with Applications Programmers. What does 'surprise me' a bit is the apparent inconsistency. Makes me think that the release dates may not be automatically calculated but entered into the database by the reviewer. Just a guess, obviously, on my part.

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Pinecone said:

It seems consistent, but wrong.

They are adding an extra day if there is a holiday, which is wrong. But it seems any application that spanned the last two Federal holidays added the extra day.

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Pinecone said:

It seems consistent, but wrong.

They are adding an extra day if there is a holiday, which is wrong. But it seems any application that spanned the last two Federal holidays added the extra day.

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abu Haqiqa said:

No worries - I didn't mean to imply that you had some obligation to do it. It's just that, as a gov lawyer who reviews SOPs as part of my job, this hits a little close to home.

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abu Haqiqa said:

I filed last Friday, and got the email this morning, so they clearly didn't add an extra day [for President's Day].

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abu Haqiqa said:

I filed last Friday, and got the email this morning, so they clearly didn't add an extra day [for President's Day].

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sxs said:

Ok, I've cleared up the issue (I think).
Just got off the phone with the MSP Firearms section. Release dates are after 7 days (which we all know). Day 1 is the purchase date.

A day is not added if the normal 8th day is on a Sunday or Holiday. It is added IF the 7th day is a Sunday or Holiday. That fits with what just happened.

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sxs said:

Ok, I've cleared up the issue (I think).
Just got off the phone with the MSP Firearms section. Release dates are after 7 days (which we all know). Day 1 is the purchase date.

A day is not added if the normal 8th day is on a Sunday or Holiday. It is added IF the 7th day is a Sunday or Holiday. That fits with what just happened.

We had 2 separate purchasers, one on Tues and one on Weds, they were both given release dates of Weds.

While the Tuesday purchaser would ordinarily do a pickup on the following Tues (day 1 is the purchase date, day 8 is the 'normal' release date occurring after the 7th day). However, since day 7 (Monday) occurred on Presidents day, 1 day was added to the release date which then became Weds. The Weds purchaser had a 7th day of Tues which was NOT a Federal holiday, so they could pick up on Weds which is their normal '8th' day.

The purchasers who bought later in the week also were given a normal 8th day (after the 7th day) release.

Does it make sense? I guess it kind'a does to me. So it appears they did fix the problem properly that occurred back on MLK day when all our purchasers had a day added for the Federal Holiday.

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Mark75H said:

So, on a Federal Monday holiday weekend, guns purchased on the previous Saturday will be released of course not on Sunday (8th day) in accordance with MD law, nor Monday (9th day, but the holiday) in accordance with MD law nor Tuesday (10th day) but on Wednesday ... the 11th day ... just because some bureaucrat likes to add days??

I thought COMAR just said the handgun could not be released on Sunday nor a holiday ... nothing about "adding days" from the interregnum ??? Am I mistaken??

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Cheesehead said:

I did paperwork on two handguns, one on the 14th and one on the 15th. Both emails came on the 22nd. Masters of inconsistency!

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magnetic1 said:

Sorta.. I filed 2/13 (Monday). 7th day fell on a Sunday, but because Monday was a holiday, I had to wait till Weds (10th day?)...

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sxs said:

Confusing, yes? But you also miscalculated.

A gun purchased on on a 'normal' Saturday can ordinarily be picked up the following Saturday (Day 1 is Saturday, Day 7 is Friday, Day 8 is Saturday). Even with the Monday holiday, since day 7 (Friday) is not a holiday the gun may be still picked up on Saturday. A gun purchased on Tuesday before the Monday Holiday, however, would have the Monday holiday as the 7th day and, according to MSP Licensing, the firearm must be held over an extra day. The 'normal' 8th day doesn't matter. What matters is the 7th day. That fits with what happened with our customers. A Tuesday purchase before the holiday had a Weds release date because the 7th day (Monday) WAS a holiday. A Weds purchase before the Monday holiday was released on the following Weds because the 7th day (Tuesday) was NOT a holiday.

No, that did not fit with my understanding prior to the January 1 implementation of the online system. I intend to go back and read the instructions again when I get a chance.

I would presume the reasoning is that offices are generally closed on those holidays and the 7th day is the last possibility of initiating a Hold or Disapproved. FYI, This is MY presumption... not anything I have read or heard directly stated.

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