MSP Licensing portal update 4-28-17
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So, in the HPRB meeting, the MSP say they have no access or troopers with clearances. But the document above is marked "unclassified." So, why does it have such a marking?
- Nov 11, 2009
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Presumably there are documents that MSP reserves for their own staff, rather than public dissemination. Not the same as real government clearance, just stuff to keep the citizenry in the dark.
OK..not to split hairs.........Nah...lets spit one for S&Gs
"FOUO" is the lowest classification I am aware of......but it is a classification, and therefore a paper stamped as such in not "UNCLASSIFIED".
Their stamp: "UNCLASSIFIED//For Official Use Only" is a conflict of terms; to wit it cannot be unclassified if you stamp it FOUO...
Moreover, at the bottom of the paper they state it is FOUO, (and therefore "classified"), and one is directed to MSP for any disclosures, or the information contained therein.......Would have been better to have only FOUO......or nothing if appropriate.
Sorry, too many years at No Such Agency...
R
"FOUO" is the lowest classification I am aware of......but it is a classification, and therefore a paper stamped as such in not "UNCLASSIFIED".
Their stamp: "UNCLASSIFIED//For Official Use Only" is a conflict of terms; to wit it cannot be unclassified if you stamp it FOUO...
Moreover, at the bottom of the paper they state it is FOUO, (and therefore "classified"), and one is directed to MSP for any disclosures, or the information contained therein.......Would have been better to have only FOUO......or nothing if appropriate.
Sorry, too many years at No Such Agency...
R
notfast
Active Member
I wonder if they updated the issue with the 30 day wait that I posted about prior. MSP called me day after I sent email, but didn't leave VM, call back or respond to my email.
"FOUO" is a handling caveat, not a classification.
hodgepodge
Senior Member (Gold)
Thank you. I was going to have to add that. I've taken CLAS1000.
points made...but....
It appears it depends on what school one attended, and most importantly, who is paying one's salary...
To wit:
http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s2unclas/fouo.htm
R
It appears it depends on what school one attended, and most importantly, who is paying one's salary...
To wit:
http://www.dhra.mil/perserec/osg/s2unclas/fouo.htm
R
That would be correct for federal clearances.
The marking on the document is internal to MSP and is in now way related to Federal security clearances or access to such, it is internal to MSP as to who may access to MSP specific documents.
Also, the FOUO handling caveat differentiates that message from the UNCLASSIFIED/FOUO//LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSITIVE traffic.
I know that is the case. Just pointing out to there is a whole other layer of bureaucracy yet to be explored at the MSP. So what is MSP "Classified?" Is there an SOP for that. It would be interesting to know what other terms are in conflict with different government agencies.
At the federal level, if its classified, it goes thru EO 13526 before FOIA/Privacy and even all of that, every agency has to go thru ISOO https://www.archives.gov/isoo
yes there is a SOP, but all agencies uses the basics...law enforcement tends to "make up" their own handling markers but really, it comes down to classification of the document, that's the most important..tho some people like to over classified
When it comes to making shite up, MSP has no equal.
- Feb 4, 2013
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No, FOUO is not a classification in accordance with US law. So it really is unclassified, but the agency would like to keep it close held.
The only classifications are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Other levels are administrative controls to limit access. But are not really classifications.
You must have slept through your annual briefings.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
No, FOUO is not a classification in accordance with US law. So it really is unclassified, but the agency would like to keep it close held.
The only classifications are Confidential, Secret, and Top Secret. Other levels are administrative controls to limit access. But are not really classifications.
You must have slept through your annual briefings.
you left out Unclass..IF you are going to list, list..
But you guys can argue, I do this for a living..
Only on MDS can a post about an MSP portal update turn into an unending argument about nomenclature.
- Feb 4, 2013
- 28,175
you left out Unclass..IF you are going to list, list..
But you guys can argue, I do this for a living..
Unclass is not a classification. It is a lack of classification.
It is used to show that the document is not an unmarked class doc.
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