Tebonski
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I know the 1911 is popular and considered all All American. Why the intense loyalty to a gun that jams? Glocks are 1000% more reliable than 1911.
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This is a CMP thread in a C&R sub-forum. Maybe in a hundred years Glocks will be available from the CMP, but for now, 1911s are in the hopper.
On the topics of intense loyalty and jamming, I have a bunch of 1911s that don't jam and a bunch of Glocks. What does that make me ... a unicorn?
On the topics of intense loyalty and jamming, I have a bunch of 1911s that don't jam and a bunch of Glocks. What does that make me ... a unicorn?
Wishful thinking.This is a CMP thread in a C&R sub-forum. Maybe in a hundred years Glocks will be available from the CMP, but for now, 1911s are in the hopper.
On the topics of intense loyalty and jamming, I have a bunch of 1911s that don't jam and a bunch of Glocks. What does that make me ... a unicorn?
A Unicorn is decidedly misogynistic and racist. So no can do for you. So sorry.
You sir are simply and irrevocably confused. (For those very same reasons, I must nominate myself to the team you are on.)
Go team!
On the bright side, I learned more about unicorns. Are they in season? There might be a bad pun in there somewhere.
Glocks have their place. They make a strong case given their simplicity and reliability and cost. They do smack of Tupperware; especially when they click into a good kydex.Go team!
On the bright side, I learned more about unicorns. Are they in season? There might be a bad pun in there somewhere.
Having said that, it's like comparing my first car...'62 VW to say, a classic muscle car....maybe a nice Pontiac GTO with triple carbs. That VW was uber reliable. Somehow though, it failed to make any of my dates wet like a rumbling big 8 in a GTO almost assuredly would.
Anyhow, any and all of my 1911s will ALWAYS be (welcome and) at home on my hip...in leather.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
Some us were weaned on the 1911.
I was seventeen and it was the first handgun I ever shot.
In my opinion, the grip design is absolute perfection.
Is the Glock more reliable? Yes. But it has a grip only a mason could love.
j_h_smith
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Hey, don't be talking about my Glock's grip. They do just fine by me.
Seriously, the 1911 is a great gun, proven in battle for many years. However, so was the 1903 a3 rifle. As a battle weapon, both did the job at the time, but they're not comparable to modern weaponry.
But as a window into the past, for many, it's a great firearm. People will pay for that bit of history. New modern examples of this technology have a following. But we're talking about history with these pistols from the CMP. Same reason some collect the Garand, the M1 Carbine, etc. They want that little bit of history associated with that firearm.
I personally don't like the 1911 design, but if I could buy a WWII 1911 for a great price, I'd buy it. However, just like the M1 Carbine fiasco, I'm afraid the 1911 sale from CMP is going to follow the same chaos.
There's been too much hype and confusion already. It's tough to put the genie back in the bottle.
The 1911 has stood the test of time. It's more popular now than Glocks will probably be in 75 years. Name something else that was manufactured before WWI and is still be produced in large numbers, with no major design changes?
I own 1911's and Glocks and love them all!
I own 1911's and Glocks and love them all!
I mean, virtually every rifle built on the Mauser action for starters. There are also a ton of modern manufacturers that make new Mauser action rifles. Virtually all post-WWI models are built on the 1898 large-ring action, but the changes between small and large ring actions are minimal in design (though significant in safety of use) and could be compared to the changes between the original 1911, A-1, and A-2 models.
Mind you, I wouldn't say there aren't any major design changes in new 1911s. Springfield uses the ILS in the mainspring housing as an integrated lock system. Capacities have been increased, parts have been lightened, calibers have been changed, actions and lengths shortened, etc. etc. etc. Incrementally, it doesn't seem like much, but today's Kimbers and other high-end 1911s are very different animals design and tech-wise than the original. The basic layout and function theory may be the same, but I'm pretty sure Browning wouldn't recognize them as "His" design in the end. Mind you, Mauser's design has undergone similar design changes over the years.
That doesn't detract from the 1911 in any way. My guess is that there are more Mauser actions floating around out there than 1911s simply due to the sheer number of militaries that used them as standard-issue infantry rifles and carbines. Solid designs are solid designs. John Moses Browning made a bunch of solid designs and Paul Mauser came up with a few as well. People have taken it upon themselves over the years to make incremental changes to both platforms to attempt to improve upon certain aspects of the design. Some have been successes, others have been failures.
Orlando
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Hum, I own 3 1911's, none of them are prone to jamming,. I guess the loyalty is becuase a 1911 is steel and wood the way a handgun should be built
j_h_smith
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Blacksmith101
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I think I'll just wait and see how the new plastic guns hold up over time. I know steel and wood do pretty well at 100+ years but I don't have anything made of plastic that old and the oldest plastic things I have all seem to get brittle.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
You're not Kiddeing...
Same experience here except I have 5. I've seen more Glocks jam than 1911's. Its just not true that 1911's are in any way prone to jamming.
The Browning M2 just missed the cut off and is still in service...
There are some people in the service who can find a reason to complain about anything, but I never heard anyone criticize the ma deuce when I was in. I guess people on the receiving end probably aren't big fans, for however much longer they are alive. I know we weren't real big on DShKs or RPGs.
Might be quite the generation of interest with this article on Fox this evening: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2018/01...oric-m1911-pistol-from-us-army-stockpile.html
Hoping to get in for a shot at one of these.
Hoping to get in for a shot at one of these.
echo6mike
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Dammit, now the secret’s out!
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somd_mustangs
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It does look like an ad written by CMP publicists 
Somehow I doubt there will be any pristine guns after being jumbled together in those crates.
comments are fun to read...
Somehow I doubt there will be any pristine guns after being jumbled together in those crates.
comments are fun to read...
molonlabe
Ultimate Member
I have an 18 pound spring in my gold cup shot hundreds of rounds FMJ. Full power wad cutters and hollow point ammo and never had a jam. I guess because the Germans feared it when it was introduced as a trench weapon. They knew if you hit them they were not getting up.
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