Dershowitz: Yellow light for red flags

danb · Aug 7, 2019

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-yellow-light-for-red-flag-laws-11565132144?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

We don’t yet have the predictive tools necessary to raise the number of true positives while at the same time reducing false positives. We may someday develop such tools, but how many false positives are we willing to tolerate until then to decrease the number of false negatives? Put another way: How many law-abiding people are we prepared to deprive of guns to prevent even one mass shooting?

Red-flag laws risk setting a dangerous precedent. If the government can take your guns based on a prediction today, what will stop it from taking your liberty based on a prediction tomorrow?

It isn’t a far-fetched concern. The U.S. detained more than 100,000 Japanese-Americans during World War II based on wildly exaggerated predictions of sabotage.

But when government starts taking away some rights in the interest of safety, all rights are at risk.

This is one of those days I wonder if I've woken up in an alternate universe.

ezracer · Aug 7, 2019

Dark times ahead.

Occam · Aug 7, 2019

danb said:
This is one of those days I wonder if I've woken up in an alternate universe.

He may be - from a lifetime of it - generally a classical Dem/liberal. But for a long time now, he's been a moderating voice against government overreach and especially against actions that blatantly violate the BoR. He's sort of like what the ACLU is supposed to be. Which is why the ACLU hates him, now.

danb · Aug 7, 2019

Occam said:
He may be - from a lifetime of it - generally a classical Dem/liberal. But for a long time now, he's been a moderating voice against government overreach and especially against actions that blatantly violate the BoR. He's sort of like what the ACLU is supposed to be. Which is why the ACLU hates him, now.

The Dems and ACLU have gone so far left, Dershowitz is now what a Republican looks like, lol. Not really, more like "independent" or center.

Silverlode · Aug 7, 2019

I think Dershowitz’s fairly recent swing to the right is a play to curry favor with Trump and certain members of the DOJ so when the Epstein sh!t really hits the fan he ends up on the side of witness for the prosecution rather than defendant. Purely speculation.

Mike OTDP · Aug 7, 2019

Dershowitz reminds me of Senator Frank Church. Who may have been a liberal, but he had principles and stuck by them. And if you're a serious civil libertarian, the pro-2A argument is compelling.

Steve_Zissou · Aug 7, 2019

Silverlode said:
I think Dershowitz’s fairly recent swing to the right is a play to curry favor with Trump and certain members of the DOJ so when the Epstein sh!t really hits the fan he ends up on the side of witness for the prosecution rather than defendant. Purely speculation.

This. I'd like to see some high-profile pushback at this red flag BS by someone who DOESN'T have ties to pedo island and the lolita express. Is that too much to ask?

Occam · Aug 7, 2019

I don’t think he’s moved right at all. His life-long D party has gone screaming off to the left in full crazy mode and he’s not shy about calling them on it.

Silverlode · Aug 7, 2019

Occam said:
I don’t think he’s moved right at all. His life-long D party has gone screaming off to the left in full crazy mode and he’s not shy about calling them on it.

Not denying that the party has gone nuts, but I don’t see many that want to speak out and become their target for no apparent reason. This is a guy that had no qualms about knowingly helping OJ get away with murder. Let’s not pretend he is principled.

ironpony · Aug 7, 2019

Silverlode said:
Not denying that the party has gone nuts, but I don’t see many that want to speak out and become their target for no apparent reason. This is a guy that had no qualms about knowingly helping OJ get away with murder. Let’s not pretend he is principled.

I’m more concerned of the laws than the man.

babalou · Aug 7, 2019

The first quote hits strong. Think about it. False positives seem ok in this case yet libs are up in arms on potential innocent criminals getting the death penalty. They scream.

rbird7282 · Aug 7, 2019

Occam said:
He may be - from a lifetime of it - generally a classical Dem/liberal. But for a long time now, he's been a moderating voice against government overreach and especially against actions that blatantly violate the BoR. He's sort of like what the ACLU is supposed to be. Which is why the ACLU hates him, now.

Exactly!

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RepublicOfFranklin · Aug 7, 2019

Dershowitz’s past in no way disproves how right he is on this.

Tearing up the 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments in order to prevent one of the rarest forms of crime that exists is madness no matter how you dress it up.

The fact that Alan’s party are currently the ones openly pushing to destroy amendments 1 & 2, already destroyed the 4th, and have destroyed the 5th when it comes to their political enemies; it should say something that Dershowitz is saying to quit giving them what they want.

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Mr H · Aug 7, 2019

danb said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-yellow-light-for-red-flag-laws-11565132144?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

This is one of those days I wonder if I've woken up in an alternate universe.

In this, he's 100% in agreement with Judge Naps.

You might be on to something

kalister1 · Aug 7, 2019

It should be obvious to anyone Red Flag Laws are not about public safety, only Gun Confiscation.
If someone is truly too dangerous to own a gun, they are too dangerous to be in Public. Has anybody ever heard of someone using a Car or Truck to Kill?

ComeGet · Aug 7, 2019

John Lott was on with Larry O'Connor this afternoon and said that in CT and IL where they have had red flag laws for some time, there is no empirical evidence that they have had any effect on crime. At all.

rbird7282 · Aug 7, 2019

ComeGet said:
John Lott was on with Larry O'Connor this afternoon and said that in CT and IL where they have had red flag laws for some time, there is no empirical evidence that they have had any effect on crime. At all.

Of course they haven’t. There’s no way to tell, just like there wasn’t with FSA2013. We can’t look into a crystal ball and predict what crime would’ve been stopped. There is no Minority Report.

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SWO Daddy · Aug 8, 2019

danb said:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-yellow-light-for-red-flag-laws-11565132144?mod=hp_opin_pos_3

This is one of those days I wonder if I've woken up in an alternate universe.

If this happens, there will be a day when every gun owner who wants to keep his guns is deemed too crazy to have them for the same reason.

If anyone thinks that's a joke, look at the rhetoric. The left already thinks we're crazy.

PowPow · Aug 8, 2019

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Bob A · Aug 8, 2019

SWO Daddy said:
If this happens, there will be a day when every gun owner who wants to keep his guns is deemed too crazy to have them for the same reason.

If anyone thinks that's a joke, look at the rhetoric. The left already ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶s̶
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