SB281 Real Time Discussion Thread

tsmith1499 said:

My oral testimony tomorrow will be about listening to 3 days worth of debate from supposedly educated lawyers that were VERY UN-educated when it comes to firearms and the facts associated with them. I know we are supposed to play nice, but after the last 3 days of crap we've all listened to I'm gonna make my 1 minute count. They might not like it or listen but I sure will feel a HELL of a lot better!!

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I agree!
Bunch of know-nothings!

It just blows my mind how our representatives and senators, who took an oath when put in office to uphold our constituion and all it represents, throw it all out and basically do what they want and change whatever they want to fit their agenda and goals at the time... WTF?? are they that forgetful? or just Dupid?

lx1x said:

yes.. you may still transport and use.. you just cant buy or sell after oct. 1.

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And since the mags aren't serialized, how do they know if we owned them before or after that date? I think it's the same technicality that they have in MD now. You can own them larger than the limit, but cannot purchase or sell or commit a crime with larger than 10 round magazines in the state (If I understand this correctly).

PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.

4MarDiv said:

It just blows my mind how our representatives and senators, who took an oath when put in office to uphold our constituion and all it represents, throw it all out and basically do what they want and change whatever they want to fit their agenda and goals at the time... WTF?? are they that forgetful? or just Dupid?

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If you going to place any blame, blame the people of this state (the majority), they continue to vote (or not) these clowns into power.

I got this email earlier. its a long but great list



Pro-Gun Lobbying from Home - What you can do now

Delegate Rick Impallaria



Thanks for your many emails supporting the Second Amendment.

I think it’s time for another tactic, which may be more effective since the Governor’s anti-gun bills are moving through the legislative system.

Make phone calls. Here is a list of all senators and delegates by district, with phone extensions. Please carefully read the heading to get the proper area code and exchange. I copied the list from the “Gun Bill Days Info” from Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore. THEY HAVE RATED EACH LEGISLATOR on their voting record. PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME CALLING “A” RATED LEGISLATORS, who are staunchly pro-gun. Call the “?” people first and encourage them to respect our 2nd Amendment rights. Then move to “C” and “D” ratings, if any. Concentrate on senators, because the bill is being debated in the Senate right now.

Thanks for all your efforts.

Rick Impallaria
Delegate, District 7
Rick.impallaria@house.state.md.us


2013 MARYLAND GENERAL ASSEMBLY
From the Baltimore / Annapolis area (dial 410-841 + Ext. number) (FAX 410-841-3850)
From Prince George's & Montgomery Co. areas (dial 301-858 + Ext. number) (FAX 301-858-3850)
From all other areas in Maryland (dial 1-800-492-7122 + Ext. number) Letter format: The Honorable "name"
"room number" "James or Miller (M) Senate Office Bldg.” or “Lowe House Office Bldg."
Annapolis, MD 21401-1991
Salutation: Dear Senator "name": or Dear Delegate "name":


District 01 Code Room Ext.
Sen. George Edwards A 322 3565
Del. Wendell Beitzel ? 410B 3435
Del. Kevin Kelly A 410A 3404
Del. LeRoy Myers A 215 3321
District 02
Sen. Christopher Shank A 402 3903
Del. Andrew Serafini ? 215 3447
Del. Neil Parrott B? 320 3636
Del. John Donoghue A? 426 3125
District 03
Sen. Ronald Young F 316 3575
Del. Galen Clagett D 405 3436
Del. Patrick Hogan ? 324 3240
Del. Michael Hough A 320 3472
District 04
Sen. David Brinkley A 420 3704
Del. Kathy Afzali B? 319 3288
Del. Kelly Schulz B? 324 3080
Del. Donald Elliott A 311 3118
District 05
Sen. Joseph Getty A 401 3683
Del. Justin Ready ? 322 3070
Del. Nancy Stocksdale A 322 3077
Del. Wade Kach A 201 3359
District 06
Sen. Norman Stone A 216 3587
Del. Joseph Minnick A 403 3332
Del. John Olszewski, Jr. ? 305 3458
Del. Michael Wier, Jr. A? 305 3328
District 07
Sen. J. B. Jennings A 416 3706
Del. Rick Impallaria A 310 3334
Del. Patrick McDonough A 310 3334
Del. Kathy Szeliga A 303 3698
District 08
Sen. Kathy Klausmeier A 103 3620
Del. Joseph Boteler A 326 3365
Del. Eric Bromwell B 415 3766
Del. John Cluster A 308 3526
District 09
Sen. Allan Kittleman B 423 3671
Del. Gail Bates B 202 3556
Del. Warren Miller A 202 3582
Del. Susan Krebs A 311 3200
District 10
Sen. Delores Kelley F 302 3606
Del. Emmett Burns, Jr. F 309 3352
Del. Adrienne Jones D 312 3391
Del. S. Nathan-Pulliam F 309 3358
District 11
Sen. Robert Zirkin F 301 3131
Del. Jon Cardin D? 304 3833
Del. Dan Morhaim F 362 3054
Del. Dana Stein ? 304 3527
District 12
Sen. Edward Kasemeyer F 3W M 3653
Del. Steven DeBoy B? 306 3328
Del. James Malone, Jr. B 251 3378
Del. Elizabeth Bobo F 214 3205
District 13 Code Room Ext.
Sen. James Robey F 120 3572
Del. Guy Guzzone ? 206 3471
Del. Shane Pendergrass F 241 3139
Del. Frank Turner F 206 3246
District 14
Sen. Karen Montgomery F 202 3625
Del. Anne Kaiser F 151 3036
Del. Eric Luedtke ? 222 3310
Del. Craig Zucker ? 224 3380
District 15
Sen. Rob Garagiola F 104 3169
Del. Kathleen Dumais F 101 3052
Del. Brian Feldman F 350 3186
Del. Aruna Miller ? 225 3090
District 16
Sen. Brian Frosh F 2 E M 3124
Del. C. William Frick F 219 3454
Del. Ariana Kelly ? 210 3642
Del. Susan Lee F 414 3649
District 17
Sen. Jennie Forehand F 223 3134
Del. Kumar Barve F 361 3464
Del. James Gilchrist ? 221 3744
Del. Luiz Simmons D 226 3037
District 18
Sen. Richard Madaleno F 203 3137
Del. Alfred Carr, Jr. ? 222 3638
Del. Ana Gutierrez F 220 3181
Del. Jeffrey Waldstreicher ? 221 3130
District 19
Sen. Roger Manno F 3W M 3151
Del. Sam Arora ? 224 3528
Del. Bonnie Cullison ? 220 3883
Del. Benjamin Kramer ? 226 3485
District 20
Sen. Jamie Raskin F 122 3634
Del. Sheila Hixson F 131 3469
Del. Thomas Hucker ? 210 3474
Del. Heather Mizeur ? 429 3493
District 21
Sen. James Rosapepe F 314 3141
Del. Benjamin Barnes ? 152 3046
Del. Barbara Frush F 160 3114
Del. Joseline Pena-Melnyk ? 157 3502
District 22
Sen. Paul Pinsky F 220 3155
Del. Tawanna Gaines F 416 3058
Del. Anne Healey F 350 3961
Del. Alonzo Washington ? 204B 3652
District 23
Sen. Douglas Peters D 121 3631
Del. James Hubbard F 363 3103
Del. G. Valentino-Smith ? 209 3101
Del. Marvin Holmes F 313 3310
District 24
Sen. Joanne Benson F 214 3148
Del. Darren Swain ? 204 3692
Del. Carolyn Howard F 301 3919
Del. Michael Vaughn F 423 3691
District 25 Code Room Ext.
Sen. Ulysses Currie F 201 3127
Del. Aisha Braveboy ? 209 3707
Del. Dereck Davis F 231 3519
Del. Melony Griffith D 207 3557
District 26
Sen. C. Anthony Muse F 304 3092
Del. Veronica Turner F? 205 3212
Del. Kriselda Valderrama ? 205 3210
Del. Jay Walker ? 204 3581
District 27
Sen. Thomas Miller D H107 3700
Del. James Proctor, Jr. F 121 3083
Del. Joseph Vallario, Jr. C 101 3488
Del. Sue Kullen C? 217 3231
District 28
Sen. Thomas Middleton C 3E M 3616
Del. Sally Jameson ? 427 3337
Del. Peter Murphy ? 307 3247
Del. C. T. Wilson ? 307 3325
District 29
Sen. Roy Dyson A 102 3673
Del. John Wood, Jr. B 422 3170
Del. John Bohanan B 350 3227
Del. Anthony O'Donnell A 212 3314
District 30
Sen. John Astle C? 123 3578
Del. Michael Busch F H101 3800
Del. Ronald George A? 163 3439
Del. Herbert McMillan A? 217 3211
District 31
Sen. Bryan Simonaire A 414 3658
Del. Don Dwyer A 216 3047
Del. Nicholaus Kipke A 164 3421
Del. Steven Schuh B? 156 3206
District 32
Sen. James DeGrange, Jr. B 101 3593
Del. Pamela Beidle A? 161 3370
Del. Mary Ann Love F 165 3511
Del Theodore Sophocleus C 162 3372
District 33
Sen. Edward Reilly B 321 3568
Del. Anthony McConkey A 216 3406
Del. Cathleen Vitale A 154 3510
Del. Robert Costa A 159 3551
District 34
Sen. Nancy Jacobs A 323 3158
Del. Glen Glass B 326 3280
Del. Mary-Dulany James C 404 3331
Del. David Rudolph C 231 3444
District 35
Sen. Barry Glassman A 320 3603
Del. H. Wayne Norman B 326 3284
Del. Donna Stifler B 326 3278
Del. Susan McComas A 319 3272
District 36
Sen. E. J. Pipkin A 403 3639
Del. Stephen Hershey, Jr. A? 308 3543
Del. Jay Jacobs A? 321 3449
Del. Michael Smigiel, Sr. A 323 3555
District 37 Code Room Ext.
Sen. Richard Colburn A 315 3590
Del. Rudolph Cane B 364 3427
Del. Adelaide Eckardt A 213 3343
Del. Jeannie Haddaway A 212 3429
District 38
Sen. James Mathias B 401 M3645
Del. Charles Otto ? 221 3433
Del. Norman Conway A 121 3407
Del. Michael McDermott B? 323 3431
District 39
Sen. Nancy King F 222 3686
Del. Charles Barkley F 223 3001
Del. Kirill Reznik ? 225 3039
Del. A. Shane Robinson ? 223 3021
District 40
Sen. Catherine Pugh F 3E M 3656
Del. Frank Conaway ? 314 3189
Del. Barbara Robinson ? 315 3520
Del. Shawn Tarrant ? 411 3545
District 41
Sen. Lisa Gladden F 2E M 3697
Del. Jill Carter C? 317 3283
Del. Nathaniel Oaks F 317 3283
Del. Samuel Rosenburg F 131 3297
District 42
Sen. James Brochin D 221 3648
Del. Susan Aumann A 303 3258
Del. William Frank A 213 3793
Del. Steven Lafferty F 306 3487
District 43
Sen. Joan Conway F 2W M 3145
Del. Curtis Anderson F 314 3291
Del. Maggie McIntosh F 251 3990
Del. Mary Washington ? 315 3476
District 44
Sen. Verna Jones F 420 M3612
Del. Keith Haynes F 424 3801
Del. Keiffer Mitchell, Jr. ? 316 3802
Del. Melvin Stukes ? 412 3544
District 45
Sen. Nathaniel McFadden F 422 M3165
Del. Talmadge Branch F 151 3398
Del. Cheryl Glenn ? 413 3257
Del. Nina Harper ? 365 3486
District 46
Sen. William Ferguson, IV D 2W M 3600
Del. Luke Clippinger F 316 3303
Del. Peter Hammen F 241 3772
Del. Brian McHale F 350 3319
District 47
Sen. Victor Ramirez F 303 3745
Del. Jolene Ivey D? 207 3478
Del. Doyle Niemann F 203 3326
Del. Michael Summers ? 203 334

Code = Gun Rights Position Ratings (A - F)
Code A Pro gun rights (best)
Code F Anti gun rights (worst)
Code ? Position uncertain due to a lack
of voting history

What's the likelihood of an injunction per what NYS judge is considering now? Any pro-2A judges in Md. who are willing to take this on?

RaVis said:

What's the likelihood of an injunction per what NYS judge is considering now? Any pro-2A judges in Md. who are willing to take this on?

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If it actually makes it through both houses, court action is always the next option.
But first... lets try to stop this in the house so we don't have to go that route.

Soda said:

So, according to Frosh, rimfires are exempt. We just need someone to develop a rimfire .223 cartridge firing AR and we're good to go!

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S&W has a M&P 15-22 that fires rimfire 22lr -- that close enough? http://www.mdshooters.com/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

aquaman said:

I know MOM wants to run for POTUS in '16 so why does he want to push this BS? It might help in some dem primaries but in the general election he just screwed himself. Even Obama knew this, thats why he kept mum on 2A issues and even signed the national parks carry bill

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He has to get the leftist nomination first, so jumping over that first fence is his motivation.

Injunction will be filed in Federal Court. This is a violation of our 2A rights. Therefore it is a federal question.

This is Führer Owe'mallys bill and it will pass even if they have to make 1000 amendments to it

What numbers are they up to?

528 was called at 12:08