CMP 1911's

Shane762 · Oct 27, 2020

I've got a question that's almost certainly been answered elsewhere but I just haven't seen it.
What is required to pick these up once it arrives to my local dealer? My number is only about 20 higher than the ones mentioned yesterday on the CMP forum as having been called.
I have an 03 FFL but (for various reasons) don't have a copy of my current license. I have requested a new copy from the ATF but they've advised that it might be a few weeks before I receive it.
Without the FFL do I need an HQL? If so I will may just decline if/when I get the call.

Thanks.

somd_mustangs · Oct 27, 2020

Your FFL-03 is meaningless in this situation so no worries there.
No HQL required to get it from your FFL-01 dealer since it is a C&R eligible pistol, but you have to go thru the whole 77R rigamarole.
Just make sure to check the HQL exemption for C&R on the 77R

Shane762 · Oct 27, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
Your FFL-03 is meaningless in this situation so no worries there.
No HQL required to get it from your FFL-01 dealer since it is a C&R eligible pistol, but you have to go thru the whole 77R rigamarole.
Just make sure to check the HQL exemption for C&R on the 77R

Ah, that was it. I knew C&R entered into it somehow I just couldn't remember the specifics. Thank you very much.

Allen65 · Oct 27, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
Your FFL-03 is meaningless in this situation so no worries there.
No HQL required to get it from your FFL-01 dealer since it is a C&R eligible pistol, but you have to go thru the whole 77R rigamarole.
Just make sure to check the HQL exemption for C&R on the 77R

The C&R isn't relevant for the transaction itself, but as a C&R holder, aren't you required to log all acquisitions and dispositions of C&R firearms in your bound book during the term of the license, no matter how acquired or disposed of?

somd_mustangs · Oct 27, 2020

yes, it would need to be logged in the bound book.

Shane762 · Oct 28, 2020

Looks like my timing was just about right. I got the call yesterday afternoon. Selected a Field grade which should ship out either Thursday or Monday.
I'm having it transfered to the Machine Gun Nest in Frederick. When I confirmed it with the very nice lady at the CMP she Said "Oh yeah, we've sent about a dozen there already. Sounds like a lot of CMP .45s in the Frederick area.

lazarus · Oct 28, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
yes, it would need to be logged in the bound book.

This. Also you need to give your FFL-01 a copy of your FFL for their books. Or at least your FFL number. To properly log it, they should be entering your FFL information and not your name and address. I mean, I don’t think they’ll get in to crap with the ATF on a bound book audit, but if done properly a C&R firearm should have your FFL information in the FFL-01’s bound book even though by MD law you get no special treatment.

A suggestion once you finally get a copy of your FFL from the ATF, take a picture of it with your phone or a camera. Save it to a computer and/or phone. Print a couple copies and keep them unsigned laying around.

I keep one in my night stand with my HQL for any shopping trips to take along. A copy on my phone to email or print if needed. And a copy in my glove box for the spur of the moment shopping trips. The later did save my bacon once when I’d forgotten to take a copy to a gun show and found a nice Colt OP I wanted.

firemanyz · Oct 28, 2020

Shane762 said:
Looks like my timing was just about right. I got the call yesterday afternoon. Selected a Field grade which should ship out either Thursday or Monday.
I'm having it transfered to the Machine Gun Nest in Frederick. When I confirmed it with the very nice lady at the CMP she Said "Oh yeah, we've sent about a dozen there already. Sounds like a lot of CMP .45s in the Frederick area.

What was your number? I’m close, I am 17557 and patiently waiting. I’m pretty sure if offered everything I’m going to select a field grade. Maybe they will call tomorrow on my daughters birthday.

firemanyz · Oct 28, 2020

I just saw in the CMP site you were 101 ahead of me. Maybe tomorrow will be the lucky day.

Shane762 · Oct 29, 2020

Could be. They seem to be rolling through the numbers at a decent clip. I think it took them a while to get the process down but they've got it now.
I'm curious if we'll see a new lottery announcement anytime soon since they're getting close to the end of the RNGs.

FFBWMD · Oct 29, 2020

Shane762 said:
Could be. They seem to be rolling through the numbers at a decent clip. I think it took them a while to get the process down but they've got it now.
I'm curious if we'll see a new lottery announcement anytime soon since they're getting close to the end of the RNGs.

Fingers crossed..LOL I'd love to get another one.

firemanyz · Oct 29, 2020

FFBWMD said:
Fingers crossed..LOL I'd love to get another one.

I have not gotten my first one, but I hope also for a second round so I can give one to each child.

Ruckus55 · Oct 29, 2020

firemanyz said:
I have not gotten my first one, but I hope also for a second round so I can give one to each child.

Can I be your child?

somd_mustangs · Oct 29, 2020

I thought the 1911's are a one per-lifetime deal? (at least from CMP... you can buy as many as you want on the secondary market of course).

lazarus said:
This. Also you need to give your FFL-01 a copy of your FFL for their books. Or at least your FFL number. To properly log it, they should be entering your FFL information and not your name and address. I mean, I don’t think they’ll get in to crap with the ATF on a bound book audit, but if done properly a C&R firearm should have your FFL information in the FFL-01’s bound book even though by MD law you get no special treatment.

I have never heard of this. Since the MD FFL is "disposing" to you as Joe Citizen of MD and you're filling out a 4473 (and 77R) it doesn't make sense to me to treat it as a disposition to another FFL in their bound book. It wouldn't match the other records. For a long gun it makes sense if the FFL transfers to you directly on your FFL-03 w/o the 4473, but it doesn't make sense for a handgun. Then again, logic isn't always logical I guess

firemanyz · Oct 29, 2020

somd_mustangs said:
I thought the 1911's are a one per-lifetime deal? (at least from CMP... you can buy as many as you want on the secondary market of course).

It has been said you can only get one from the first “list”. It was said on the CMP forum that once the first list is expired everyone was allowed to submit for the second set of numbers.

Blazer · Oct 29, 2020

CMP Pistol

I received my CMP 1911 today after a 21 day wait. MSP clerks kicking back, the last time saying it wasn't on the Handgun Roster! Brandi of Bollingers Gunsmithing finally got it resolved, Thanks Brandi!

I got the call from CMP the end of last month. Three grades were available, Service, Rack and Field. I went with Service. According to CMP the gun was delivered to Springfield Armory between January 5th and 25th, 1944. It is a Colt frame with a Remington Rand slide. The barrel is of post WWII manufacture and it has the contract number on the barrel hood beneath 45ACP.
It doesn't look like it left the armory after being parkerized. There are not even handling marks on it.

Shane762 · Oct 29, 2020

Shane762 said:
Looks like my timing was just about right. I got the call yesterday afternoon. Selected a Field grade which should ship out either Thursday or Monday.
I'm having it transfered to the Machine Gun Nest in Frederick. When I confirmed it with the very nice lady at the CMP she Said "Oh yeah, we've sent about a dozen there already. Sounds like a lot of CMP .45s in the Frederick area.

I got my shipping notice about an hour ago. Unfortunately the email doesn't list the serial number but I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

FFBWMD · Oct 30, 2020

firemanyz said:
I have not gotten my first one, but I hope also for a second round so I can give one to each child.

Yeah thats my plan too, i've been collecting 2 of most things in my collection for that reason.

Shane762 · Oct 30, 2020

Shane762 said:
I got my shipping notice about an hour ago. Unfortunately the email doesn't list the serial number but I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

I went over to TMGN this afternoon and filled out the paperwork and looked it over.
It's a Remington Rand with an Ithaca slide. I didn't spend much time looking it over so I'm not sure about any other parts on it.
At the risk of sounding like a real whiner I'm a bit underwhelmed. I had been leary of getting one when all the pictures I saw were of freshly parked, light gray, heavily sandblasted guns. Then lately there's been lots of people getting great looking Field grade guns with nice looking finishes. Good condition guns but with some character to them. So I look at mine and it's a freshly parked (yet scratched up) medium gray, sandblasted gun.
It's not that it doesn't meet the CMPs description. In fact it well exceeds it. It's just that it's a gun with lots of history that's had all it's character sandblasted and parkerized away.
Anyway, I'm done complaining. I'll bring it home and see if I warm up to it. If not I shouldn't have too much trouble getting my money back out of it.

KH195 · Nov 18, 2020

I didn’t put in for these when the app period was open, and kinda regretted not doing so this whole time. Well the other week I came across a post on another gun forum, a guy’s number came up and he received a service grade but he was not happy with it.....he had expected a 1911 and not a 1911A1. Long story short, I offered to take it off his hands. It arrived today with all paperwork etc and I am happy with it. ‘44 RR frame and Colt slide. Should be a fine shooter.

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