H&N Rabbit Magnum II .177 Cal, 15.74 Grains Pellets

Outta Air · Oct 25, 2016

H&N Rabbit Magnum IIs

Anyone use these?

Outta Air · Oct 27, 2016

Ok, I'll take that as a resounding NO!!! Now on to the next subject

Mark75H · Oct 27, 2016

The worst pellets I ever tried in any of my guns.

The .25's have an excellent reputation.

StantonCree · Oct 27, 2016

99% of this forum is into real guns not expensive air guns.

That being said I literally learn something new from every thread you post and I think it's awesome!!

Outta Air · Oct 27, 2016

WOW, that sure got some quick responses! Well, I bought a tin in .177 for my new Gamo 1400 and Remington Thunderceptor rifles. I haven't chrony'd them yet, but when I fired the 8.5 g lr pellets, they both had that crack of a small firearm. With that much extra mass, I don't think I'll see much over 800 fps - 900 fps +/- but want to try for 100 yards with them anyway.

As I've said before, I'm not a hunter but I do like long range shooting. That being said, I am not looking for any world beating performances from a .177 cal. But both of them are pretty impressive rifles.

StantonCree · Oct 27, 2016

What's considered long range shooting for these things?

Outta Air · Oct 27, 2016

I think like 50 yrd - 75 yrd for a break barrel. If I could top that even UN-officially I'd be happy

Mark75H · Oct 27, 2016

The EunJin's my Crosman Phantom likes better are 16.1gr ... slightly heavier. I shoot them sparingly because the experts on the airgun forums say heavy pellets are very hard on break barrel's seals. My Phantom is noisy when its wet with oil, but quiets down when it dries out.

I almost exclusively shoot regular Daisey wadcutters sitting or kneeling at a 1½" target 45 yards away. 100yards with a .177 is going to have massive drop; about the same as .22 rimfire at 300. Unless your guns are rated for pellets that heavy, don't be surprised if you blow out the seals just about the time you get it dialed in at 100.

I used to ocaisionally shoot my Phantom at the steel plates & silhouettes at my cousin's farm from 75y. I had no trouble finding them with the wadcutters.

John from MD · Oct 27, 2016

I'm glad your rifle shoots Daisy's well but don't ever take a good look at them. They are some of the most un uniform pellets that I have used. While they don't keep up with my Crosman Premiers(my other cheap pellet), they are remarkably accurate in my Crosman 382 pump. From their bumps and bruises, they shouldn't be but they are. :rolleyes:

Outta Air · Oct 27, 2016

Mark75H said:
The EunJin's my Crosman Phantom likes better are 16.1gr ... slightly heavier. I shoot them sparingly because the experts on the airgun forums say heavy pellets are very hard on break barrel's seals. My Phantom is noisy when its wet with oil, but quiets down when it dries out.

I almost exclusively shoot regular Daisey wadcutters sitting or kneeling at a 1½" target 45 yards away. 100yards with a .177 is going to have massive drop; about the same as .22 rimfire at 300. Unless your guns are rated for pellets that heavy, don't be surprised if you blow out the seals just about the time you get it dialed in at 100.

I used to ocaisionally shoot my Phantom at the steel plates & silhouettes at my cousin's farm from 75y. I had no trouble finding them with the wadcutters.

It's crazy but the H&N wadcutters I use in my .22 Benjamin and the Crosman PowerShot Red Flight Penetrators I use, I can put in a half inch hole from 30 - 50 yards away and that thing's never given me a problem. But now that you're mentioning blown out seals, maybe I'll just stick to 50 as the norm.

lowoncash · Oct 28, 2016

I only have a cheap airgun and haven't measured performance but the best terminal results for small pest control are the gold colored pellets. More expensive but better results.

Outta Air · Oct 28, 2016

I don't understand, why the wadcutters are such a good pellet when they're so un-aero dynamic. I mean they have nothing but frontal area and nothing to cut through the air!

John from MD · Oct 28, 2016

It's the back end that makes it so aerodynamic. Same reason a shuttle cock flies so well. However, it looses velocity fast and energy with it.

Mark75H · Oct 28, 2016

John from MD said:
It's the back end that makes it so aerodynamic. Same reason a shuttle cock flies so well. However, it looses velocity fast and energy with it.

Yeah, they sound like a piece of sand hitting a steel target

Outta Air · Oct 28, 2016

John from MD said:
It's the back end that makes it so aerodynamic. Same reason a shuttle cock flies so well. However, it looses velocity fast and energy with it.

Ahhh yes, those mysterious eddies :lol2:

Mark75H · Oct 28, 2016

This:

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/05/ballistic-coefficient-what-is-it-part-1/

http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2015/04/ballistic-coefficient-what-is-it-part-2/

http://www.crosman.com/airgunning/velocity

http://www.crosman.com/get-hunting/airgun-ballistics

Mark75H · Oct 28, 2016

And this:

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.com/airguns/index.php?topic=16651.0

http://www.straightshooters.com/general-airgun-information.html

Pellet tragectory calculator:

http://www.airguns.net/trajectory.php

Outta Air · Oct 28, 2016

Yes, that is correct. However, in my short history of studying ballistics, a higher BC gives a longer and flatter trajectory, correct? That is, without going beyond the gun's recommended maximum weight "round"?

So, not counting of course the incorrect proportions(s) of the picture, but if you had a "pellet" as shaped below and within weight constraints, what would happen?

John from MD · Oct 29, 2016

Air Wolf said:
Yes, that is correct. However, in my short history of studying ballistics, a higher BC gives a longer and flatter trajectory, correct? That is, without going beyond the gun's recommended maximum weight "round"?

So, not counting of course the incorrect proportions(s) of the picture, but if you had a "pellet" as shaped below and within weight constraints, what would happen?

I'm sure if that would work, Pyramid, AoA or someone would be selling them by the millions. However, I happen to have something that can use that type of "pellet" very welll and will take all you have if you don't need yours. :innocent0

Outta Air · Oct 29, 2016

John from MD said:
I'm sure if that would work, Pyramid, AoA or someone would be selling them by the millions. However, I happen to have something that can use that type of "pellet" very welll and will take all you have if you don't need yours.

That's very true. I guess like the teeth on a saw blade: one saw blade can't be used for every type cutting job!

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