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Old January 11th, 2019, 04:06 PM #31
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You can absolutely shoot pre mounted in sporting. I shoot NSCA tournaments all over the mid atlantic and see it all over the place. Use it myself on trap style presentations. FITASC you absolutely cannot.
I know someone who shot the 2018 NE Regionals about 90% pre-mounted. That individual went on win A class with a 171, defeating 60 other competitors in his class. This particular shooter won 1st place back to class, took an additional $120 in high gun in class option making for a ~$1,400 dollar weekend.

Anything from quartering inward should ABSOLUTELY be called for while pre-mounted. The less gun movement the better when a target is doing nothing but getting further away from you.
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I know someone who shot the 2018 NE Regionals about 90% pre-mounted. That individual went on win A class with a 171, defeating 60 other competitors in his class. This particular shooter won 1st place back to class, took an additional $120 in high gun in class option making for a ~$1,400 dollar weekend.

Anything from quartering inward should ABSOLUTELY be called for while pre-mounted. The less gun movement the better when a target is doing nothing but getting further away from you.


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I am the contrarian; 30" barrels and a Browning.
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The physics hasn’t changed but the style of shooting has. The top shots aren’t shooting swing through like they did back then. They’re shooting sustained lead. Using a sustained lead method the speed of the swing is a lot slower. The longer barrels lend themselves to this style of shooting. Show me someone that is winning a top shoot in any discipline (including the International varieties) with a pump gun or a side by side or a 26” barrel. Ken Barnes shot the first 400 straight in Skeet with 4 pump guns in 1968. Would anyone recommend a shooter try to win a top shoot with 4 pump guns nowadays? Of course not. Imagine a golfer trying to win a tournament with clubs from the 60’s and 70’s. He wouldn’t have a chance in hell. If you’re wanting to do get to the top of the podium in the shotgun sports you can either piggy back on what the top shots are using or you can disregard all of their vast knowledge and expertise and chart your own path to the top by shooting a 26” side by side. If you are just going to shoot some clays a couple times a year or month at your local club it doesn’t really matter what you shoot. Just be forewarned that when it comes time to sell the gun in the configuration that no one wants it’s going to be harder to find a buyer.
Hmmm, interesting. When I was shooting a lot of trap back in the 80's, I thought that most of the top shots were using sustained lead. Was this something that changed and now has come full circle?
FYI, I have always been a swing through person as I feel it works better for me in actual field conditions. So I just carried it over to ATA Trap. Back then, I shot singles using a 34" BT 99, but did all my hunting with various field guns 26 - 28". Short and light works well on quick acquisition and snap shooting in the field. However, I did acquire a Guerini a few years back. It is a Magnus Light with 30" barrels. The suckiest thing about switching from my BT to field guns is that I had to definitely float the bird over the BT 99 front sight whereas I had to nearly blot the target in the field.
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I'm a little mix of sustained and applied lead. If you're "behind" the target at any point you are probably in trouble.
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Hmmm, interesting. When I was shooting a lot of trap back in the 80's, I thought that most of the top shots were using sustained lead. Was this something that changed and now has come full circle?
FYI, I have always been a swing through person as I feel it works better for me in actual field conditions. So I just carried it over to ATA Trap. Back then, I shot singles using a 34" BT 99, but did all my hunting with various field guns 26 - 28". Short and light works well on quick acquisition and snap shooting in the field. However, I did acquire a Guerini a few years back. It is a Magnus Light with 30" barrels. The suckiest thing about switching from my BT to field guns is that I had to definitely float the bird over the BT 99 front sight whereas I had to nearly blot the target in the field.
Most top shots are shooting sustained lead in all the disciplines nowadays. That wasnít always the case. I didnít shoot a lot of trap in the 80ís so I donít know what the top shots at the time were shooting. But in Skeet some of the old timers were still shooting swing through, but they werenít winning. The Skeet game now is being able to shoot doubles (at stations 3, 4, 5) to win a shoot-off. Thatís where sustained lead REALLY helps. Itís crazy how consistent these guys can be shooting doubles at stations 3,4, and 5. I saw 2 of the greatest go 7 boxes (175 shots) of doubles to determine a winner. They only shot 4 boxes of singles to get to the shoot off. If anyone thinks Skeet is too easy we can shoot some doubles or .410 and see how easy that is.
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I'm a little mix of sustained and applied lead. If you're "behind" the target at any point you are probably in trouble.
Please explain applied lead. I canít say Iíve heard that expression.
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