What is the big deal about non HBAR being illegal?

1ceman · Dec 31, 2013

Other than weight, what is the real difference in the HBAR sold in stores now? 1 owner of a gun shop told me that the heavy barrel is more accurate and accepts heat better when firing faster. What is the truth? difference?

budman93 · Dec 31, 2013

The truth is the politicians who forced that through are idiots.

j8064 · Dec 31, 2013

budman93 said:
The truth is the politicians who forced that through are idiots.

This

budman93 · Dec 31, 2013

It is a big deal because all the variations should be legal. None of them are 'deadlier' than others nor should that be a factor in deciding what is legal anyway.

1ceman · Dec 31, 2013

So other than weight there is really no downside to the "HBAR configuration"?

erwos · Dec 31, 2013

1ceman said:
So other than weight there is really no downside to the "HBAR configuration"?

Correct.

The background is really quite simple: back when the regulated assault long gun list was first being drafted up, the Colt HBAR Sporter was the hot target shooting gun. In order to show that, hey, the GA wasn't against target shooting, they specifically excluded that rifle (and its copies).

aquaman · Dec 31, 2013

The heavier barrel provides a more stable platform for rapid spray fire from the hip when utilizing assault clips

CATMdude · Dec 31, 2013

Did it have that shoulder thing that goes up?

1ceman · Dec 31, 2013

Thank you. The SB281 helps some but I had to read it a few times since the assault rifle jargon is new to me. I origionally thought that the law was also trying to prevent full auto conversions, etc.

Robert1955 · Dec 31, 2013

1ceman said:
1 owner of a gun shop told me that the heavy barrel is more accurate and accepts heat better when firing faster. What is the truth? difference?

This

budman93 said:
The truth is the politicians who forced that through are idiots.

And THIS X2

But yes, the HBAR was originally developed to better handle the heat from rapid, sustained fire from the basic M-16 platform. So the plain Jane Light barrel AR's are banned but the HBAR lives on.......

Boom Boom · Dec 31, 2013

aquaman said:
The heavier barrel provides a more stable platform for rapid spray fire from the hip when utilizing assault clips

It's too bad the assault clips can only be used once and must be thrown away, though.

Mooseman · Dec 31, 2013

Boom Boom said:
It's too bad the assault clips can only be used once and must be thrown away, though.

Well, what are you going to do with an empty high capacity clip anyhow? :innocent0

bpm32 · Dec 31, 2013

Mooseman said:
Well, what are you going to do with an empty high capacity clip anyhow?

I read that you can 2 or 3 reloadings out of some of them, but these should be range use only. I would never trust a reloaded assault clip for serious use. YMMV.

Threeband · Dec 31, 2013

aquaman said:
The heavier barrel provides a more stable platform for rapid spray fire from the hip when utilizing assault clips

It also allows unlimited, sustained full automatic fire while keeping the barrel refreshingly cool to the touch.

rj1974 · Dec 31, 2013

budman93 said:
It is a big deal because all the variations should be legal. None of them are 'deadlier' than others nor should that be a factor in deciding what is legal anyway.

This , end of story :thumbsup:

1ceman · Dec 31, 2013

This is what I found
Really an 8oz difference????

Colt 6920, 16" M4/governmnet profile barrel with 1:7" twist: 1 pound, 12 ounces.
http://www.mdshooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=106103&stc=1&d=1388541935

Colt 6721, 16" HBAR with 1:9" twist: 2 pounds, 3.4 ounces.
http://www.mdshooters.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=106104&stc=1&d=1388541966

Boom Boom · Dec 31, 2013

Correct. 6oz to 8oz of weight is the only significant difference.

Brikhaus · Dec 31, 2013

erwos said:
Correct.

The background is really quite simple: back when the regulated assault long gun list was first being drafted up, the Colt HBAR Sporter was the hot target shooting gun. In order to show that, hey, the GA wasn't against target shooting, they specifically excluded that rifle (and its copies).

I have explained that to several people in the last week. Crazy, maybe a good sign, people are starting to wake up and ask questions, rather than just following.

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Kman · Dec 31, 2013

8 ounces lighter makes it a lean, mean killing machine! :rolleyes:

1ceman · Dec 31, 2013

Kman said:
8 ounces lighter makes it a lean, mean killing machine!

Extra 8oz HBAR weight ----------Nothing a few extra times going to the gym cant fix

What is the big deal about non HBAR being illegal?

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