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Old March 13th, 2018, 08:54 AM #101
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Glad I was helpful. But as appealing as the idea of this shotgun is to me, the ammo requirement would turn me very very off.
Agree. Proprietary ammunition? No thank you.


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If HD is an issue, delete the Fabarm XLR5 from your list. It's a dedicated Clay and Wing shooter.

I think you make a mistake trying to buy a do-all gun.
The answer is: one for HD and one for other things. Then for the other things: one for hunting, and one for clays.
So, you need a minimum of three guns.
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Wow. I never knew about these. (I don't get out much) Is this the one you're talking about? It looks like it wants special ammo. Do these types all need special ammo to accommodate the magazine?

REF dated 2013:
12 Gauge, AR-10 Based Shotgun Now a Reality
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...now-a-reality/
or these that use regular rounds

https://grabagun.com/us-sporting-goods-inc-2.html
https://grabagun.com/us-sporting-goods-inc.html
https://grabagun.com/pw-arms-ar-12-b...-inch-5rd.html

there are others
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Just my $0.02 but for Duck and Goose, I use an inexpensive semi so that if it goes in the drink, I'm not crying. I currently use a TriStar Raptor which ran $293 at Walmart a few months back. You can get a decent deal on a Remington 1100 as well for just a little more if you want to go true name-brand.

For non-steel shot purposes, my personal favorite semi-auto shotgun is the Remington 878/Ward's Western Field 600A-ERI. Soft shooting, easy to swing, reliable. They're the hidden gem of the early gas-operated semi-auto world. I also love the Browning Auto-5/Rem-11/Savage-720, but they simply don't beat the 878 as far as the old ones go.
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Just my $0.02 but for Duck and Goose, I use an inexpensive semi so that if it goes in the drink, I'm not crying. I currently use a TriStar Raptor which ran $293 at Walmart a few months back. You can get a decent deal on a Remington 1100 as well for just a little more if you want to go true name-brand.

For non-steel shot purposes, my personal favorite semi-auto shotgun is the Remington 878/Ward's Western Field 600A-ERI. Soft shooting, easy to swing, reliable. They're the hidden gem of the early gas-operated semi-auto world. I also love the Browning Auto-5/Rem-11/Savage-720, but they simply don't beat the 878 as far as the old ones go.

Did you have a problem with the charging handle falling out of your TriStar Raptor?


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Did you have a problem with the charging handle falling out of your TriStar Raptor?
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Nope, I've seen the video reviews where some guys had that issue on the earlier guns that didn't have as high a QC factor. Mine is very nicely cut and holds better than any of my others semis honestly. Looks like it was an issue that they found out about and fixed (which is amazing in this day and age). Even heavishot and steel BB 3" goose loads were a-ok in it with no complications.
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Nope, I've seen the video reviews where some guys had that issue on the earlier guns that didn't have as high a QC factor. Mine is very nicely cut and holds better than any of my others semis honestly. Looks like it was an issue that they found out about and fixed (which is amazing in this day and age). Even heavishot and steel BB 3" goose loads were a-ok in it with no complications.

Good to know I'm going to swing by Wally World and see if I can eyeball/play with one later.


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Good to know I'm going to swing by Wally World and see if I can eyeball/play with one later.
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They're hard to beat for the price! Pop the charging handle out when you look at it (if they'll let you). The lines should be nice and crisp.

Good video of what the old vs new handle looks like. Jump to 1:50 for the comparison:
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Another question you, the OP, have to ask yourself. 3" or 3 1/2" chamber? The 3" guns have more to offer. Very good guns can be had under $800.
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Thank you for the detail - duck mainly and maybe some goose. Home defense is really an after thought because I have other firearms for that too.
As fun as the mag fed shotguns like the Saiga and Vepr 12s are, my reason for not buying one was the cost of the mags. I have AR and AK mags, and quite frankly don't have the room for 12G mags. I have shot the Veprs and Saigas and they are fun. I prefer tube fed shotguns for the simplicity and lower cost of not needing mags. I have both gas and inertia shotguns, and the gas gun has been 100% for clay shooting, I really like the inertia guns. If your main use is hunting, I would go with a Benelli inertia gun, like my M2. Extra parts are very expensive though, with just an extra barrel costing as much another shotgun. So, I love the Benelli M2. Then a cheaper version, is the Weatherby Element, which has gotten good reviews, and about 1/2 the cost of the Benelli. Then maybe Franchi. Another good option is the Stoeger M3000/3500. The recoil design is slightly different, but great reviews. I think parts are a tad cheaper if I recall.
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