Least penetrating 7.62x54r ammo

Clovis · Jan 4, 2018

If you reload for the rifle, C.E. Harris did a bit of work with light loads for military rifles using cast and jacketed pistol bullets. I tried light loads in the .303 rifles I have and they were a lot of fun and suspect the penetration was fairly shallow. The load using a .32 jacketed hollow point with some Unique (if I recall correctly) was reasonably accurate at short ranges and didn't kick, sounded like a .22 Magnum being fired. Also loaded 123 grain SKS bullets in the .303 British that Harris called "snappy". I think he used most of the same or similar loads in most bolt action military rifles.

Boom Boom · Jan 4, 2018

Half-cocked said:
Wow. That’s a little like asking, “which 10 pound sledgehammer will do the least damage, if it’s dropped onto my thumb from 300 feet?”

You should not even be considering using 7.62x54R for home defense. End thread.

+100. A Mosin rifle is absurd overkill for HD. Insane overkill for a townhouse.

smdub · Jan 4, 2018

The talk of a mosin not being suitable for HD is a knee-jerk reaction. The proper statement is that factory loaded 54r ammo is not suitable. It has little to do w/ the rifle. Handloaded 54r could very well be suitable. Think slow lead or frangible ammo. At subsonic velocities its not really any different than 45ACP energy wise. I shoot plastic training 7.62x51 ammo from my HKs that has very little energy. A bolt action mosin would easily cycle anything you load for it. A carbine wouldn't be completely unweildy.

It is THE most suitable HD rifle? No. But if its all you have (remember these used to sell for CHEAP) then you could make ammo for it that IS suitable. If it's all I had, I'd rather stand at the top of my steps and point a bolt-action rifle at a bad guy than stand there w/ nothing but a cell-phone saying he better go home because I'm calling the cops.

ericoak · Jan 4, 2018

Pretty sure he actually wants to build two pill boxes with these inside for enfilading crossfire.

Biggfoot44 · Jan 4, 2018

At one level , Mosins were successfully used for inside dwelling combat various places from Stalingrad to Berlin , inclusive.

However , by modern expectations of both manuevability , and (over)penetration , the Mosin is waaaaay outside of modern parameters , with any commonly available factory loaded ammo .

airbornetrooper · Jan 4, 2018

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, the Czech training ammo. I have a crate set aside for someday when my son is a little older (he's 1). Not even sure if it can be found anymore, but here's a link.

http://www.ammochannel.com/7-62x54r-czech-46-gr-training-ammo/

TargetGrade · Jan 4, 2018

airbornetrooper said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, the Czech training ammo. I have a crate set aside for someday when my son is a little older (he's 1). Not even sure if it can be found anymore, but here's a link.

http://www.ammochannel.com/7-62x54r-czech-46-gr-training-ammo/

Even that cleared through 1/4 mild steel, did serious penetration on half inch. Probably would go through 2 extra rented dwellings, not a good idea.

Someone mentioned Berlin, apples and oranges. :sad20:

Glaron · Jan 4, 2018

Are serious?

I have a spamcan of ammo you can toss at the attackers head from an upper floor.

You shoot it, damn. Get a glock.

Melnic · Jan 4, 2018

airbornetrooper said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, the Czech training ammo. I have a crate set aside for someday when my son is a little older (he's 1). Not even sure if it can be found anymore, but here's a link.

http://www.ammochannel.com/7-62x54r-czech-46-gr-training-ammo/

Yes, Post #3.

I still have some but since I handload and even cast, I can still make low recoil ammo that is probably more accurate.

I still think my 7.62x25 in an adapter is the lowest penetrating factory solution out there. PPU makes a HP version. About as impractical as it comes though.

http://www.selwayarmory.com/prvi-pa...ev-85-gr-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-50.html

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=449008

I have a conversion insert and I shot it once at an indoor range with a friend who immigrated from Russia

GOG-MD · Jan 4, 2018

thomfantomas said:
A Shotgun/Handgun is all you need for HD not a Dragonov DMR in 7.62x54r.

Exactly this. Unless the home you're defending is a thousand-acre country estate. Haha.

lowoncash · Jan 4, 2018

wood bullets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7S5nAefTF8

https://www.google.com/search?q=7.6...-qrb_YAhUPNd8KHUa1BK8QsAQIKg&biw=1366&bih=637

Frangible

https://www.cdvs.us/product/7-62x54r-frangible-ammo-20-round-pack/

babalou · Jan 4, 2018

do they make BB Caps for 7.62x54?

lowoncash · Jan 4, 2018

Couldn't find any 7.62x54 shot shells

Biggfoot44 · Jan 4, 2018

Heck , chamber adaptor in .32acp then ( yes, that's a thing) . ( Insert several handload brain storms .)

But seriously -

If all you have / have reasonably available is a full power .30cal rifle , then full power .30cal rifle is also your defensive rifle . Feel confidence in the positive attributes ( power, range ) . Plan your stratagies to mitigate the challenges ( lots of penetration, and Mosin specific unwieldy).

Abulg1972 · Jan 4, 2018

This is my SHTF home defense gun.

somd_mustangs · Jan 4, 2018

Sweet!

lowoncash · Jan 4, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
This is my SHTF home defense gun.

No bayonet?

airbornetrooper · Jan 4, 2018

Melnic said:
Yes, Post #3.

I still have some but since I handload and even cast, I can still make low recoil ammo that is probably more accurate.

I still think my 7.62x25 in an adapter is the lowest penetrating factory solution out there. PPU makes a HP version. About as impractical as it comes though.

http://www.selwayarmory.com/prvi-pa...ev-85-gr-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-50.html

https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=449008

I have a conversion insert and I shot it once at an indoor range with a friend who immigrated from Russia

My apologies. How well does the 7.62x25 adapter work? I have seen a couple advertised previously but I remain dubious of their quality.

TargetGrade · Jan 4, 2018

Abulg1972 said:
This is my SHTF home defense gun.

Interesting, GIANT flash but I wonder what velocity the bullet would be with no real barrel? Ever put it on a chrony????

offthepaper · Jan 5, 2018

Abulg1972

I'm speechless.

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