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Old August 22nd, 2019, 03:16 PM #11
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Because those people believe in the "living document" lie. They don't want to deal with the process of making an amendment. They just want to twist or ignore what's already written to "fit with the times" and reach their predetermined result by claiming they're interpreting it in a modern context.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 03:19 PM #12
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Even a Constitutional Amendment can't do it. Good luck repealing a right that existed before pen was put to paper.
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Old August 22nd, 2019, 03:31 PM #13
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I find it deeply amusing that people think haters like white supremacists and antifa are going to give up their guns just because the .gov says so. How about all the members of the Maryland Socialist Rifle Club , are they giving up their guns when we pass a law? lolololol.
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I find it deeply amusing that people think haters like white supremacists and antifa are going to give up their guns just because the .gov says so. How about all the members of the Maryland Socialist Rifle Club , are they giving up their guns when we pass a law? lolololol.
In another decade or two, advances in 3D printing and widespread at-home CNC technology will render it trivial for even the non-technical crowd to make their own "assault weapons" and normal-cap mags. The genie is out of the bottle, it's not going to go back in.

I do think it would be best to get a SCOTUS ruling on AWBs and mags before the GOP loses control of the senate and executive, but I'm not even sure I think SCOTUS would strike down those things, TBH.
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I have a bunch of magazines marked "Law Enforcement or Govt use only" Which I legally bought after the ban expired.
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They do it because people sit still and take it! Our founding fathers didn't. When in the course of human events...!
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by the supreme courts logic in heller, any firearm "in common use" and useful to a militia is protected. and while no real count exists, the estimates i've heard are the there are over 12m ar pattern rifles. though that number is probably much higher. add ak pattern rifles, and various other mag fed rifles of other makes, on it's face, the law would seem to be in jeopardy.

and as for all semi-auto. pistols, rifles, and shotguns, again, common use.

and lets face it, if you are a2a, bolt actions and even muzzle loaders are military grade firearms, if you look at history, probably killed more people than "assault weapons". mausers, moisins, springfields, enfields, and all the similar pattern guns they spawned and descended from...

yeah, a preaching to the choir rant. sorry.

so, if the law passed, how long would it take for that case to get to court? would an activist judge ignore this part of heller? heller yes. how many years would it sit in lower courts? would scotus hear it?
IIRC the estimate is about 20 million “assault weapons” as defined* by the 1994 AWB. Actual semiautomatic magazine fed guns it’s probably at least a third to two thirds higher. If you account for all semiautomatic long guns (adding in tube feed semiautomatic shotguns, fixed mag and clip feed semiautomatic rifles too) it’s probably closer to 40-50 million. Hell add in rimfire detachable mag rifles and that’s a few tens of millions more.

Add in semiautomatic handguns and it’s more like 200+ million. Out of an estimated 300-500 million guns. I don’t recall the figures, but I think something like ~3 million “assault weapons” are being made every year right now out of close to 10 million guns being made.

Those are just domestic production figures though. That doesn’t include imports, which are more limited, but I am guessing still accounts for a few million more guns and at least some of those are “assault weapons” even if it’s under nine hundred whatever exception (922r?)

Yeah those death assault clipozine guns are probably more concentrated than average, but you are probably still talking 4-6 million owners of them. Maybe twice that many (I’d be it’s more like twice that many). That doesn’t make them rare or uncommon.

*was just reading an article that mentioned an estimated 20 million AR and AK pattern rifles in the US. So actual as defined by the 1994 AWB it’s probably a lot more “assault weapons” owned by a lot more people. But based on the source they may have been conflating AR and AKs as all assault weapons. Though the author specifically said “AK and AK pattern” and that seems way too specific and also well written to be a “I don’t know nothing about guns” mistake. It pwas calling out how stupid an AWB would be.

PS though the limitations would be what they are, if AWB become strict enough, see ammo and gun makers innovate by doing things like introducing more powerful rimfire cartridges. To the best of my knowledge you could have a rimless, rimfire round. So long as it is not a separate primer and the firing pin is impacting the edge of the rear of the case it would be considered rimfire. One of the stupids of an AWB or any type of “ban the thing” BS is that people and companies are smart. Ban a specific thing, which new thing that is different enough not to be the old thing for sale in months. Ban a feature, watch that get innovated around in weeks. And a lot of the feature tests that want to be banned do nothing to turn a gun in to a more effective mass shooting or crime gun. Oh no, I don’t have a flash suppressor, or a barrel shroud or a pistol grip or a Forward VFG. A non-threaded mini-14 is probably 98% as effective a killing machine as my AR is and is only less effective because I am prejudiced against rock-and-lock magazines.

Mini-30 and mini-14 with fixed stock are specifically called out as legal under the proposed new federal AWB *eyeroll*
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Because Gunz BAD! Boss Hogg and Stink Eye Watts said so.

And the USSC may be contemplating related issues this Fall.
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IANAL, but they will probably say that they are not getting rid of the 2A entirely. They will argue that since specifics of which arms are not spelled out in the 2A, as long as even one type of firearm is allowed for public ownership/use, the 2A is being followed.
.....The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
(Emphasis mine).

Not sure how the gun-grabbers get over that part. Massachussets Compromise? Bill of Rights? Did the gun-grabbers miss school when those topics were covered?

Oh, and notice how the 2A doesnt establish the RTKBA? It merely references the preexisting right.
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.....The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
(Emphasis mine).

Not sure how the gun-grabbers get over that part. Massachussets Compromise? Bill of Rights? Did the gun-grabbers miss school when those topics were covered?

Oh, and notice how the 2A doesnt establish the RTKBA? It merely references the preexisting right.
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