MSP SOP - Processing of Handgun Permit Applications

LoneRanger · Sep 9, 2015

PJDiesel said:
There was always a process, just as arbitrary as this,.... they know it when they see it. They still only (really) "know it" when they see it.

LOL......as John Lubbock said....there is a fine line between optimism and naivety. "What we see depends mainly on what we look for.

PJDiesel · Sep 9, 2015

I see what I see, they're miserable fvcks, they'll do anything to keep things as they are or even worse. How anyone would see it differently is a mystery to me.

BeoBill · Sep 9, 2015

Guys, I see this as progress because (as dblas said) their SOP is now on the Interwebz for all to see and find fault with. Prior to this I recall bitching because there was NO SOP available for the "secret process" the MSP used to deny permit requests. We've also seen an SOP for the HPRB appear very recently almost out of thin air so to speak.

Makes me think maybe some people would cry about the Second Coming because it would spoil their Sunday morning plans.

But I also think MSP is perhaps being a bit sly by using us as a quasi-legal resource to find flaws to help update their SOP at little or no cost to them. Maybe?

LoneRanger · Sep 9, 2015

BeoBill said:
Guys, I see this as progress because (as dblas said) their SOP is now on the Interwebz for all to see and find fault with. Prior to this I recall bitching because there was NO SOP available for the "secret process" the MSP used to deny permit requests. We've also seen an SOP for the HPRB appear very recently almost out of thin air so to speak.

Makes me think maybe some people would cry about the Second Coming because it would spoil their Sunday morning plans.

But I also think MSP is perhaps being a bit sly by using us as a quasi-legal resource to find flaws to help update their SOP at little or no cost to them. Maybe?

The SOP on the interweb is nothing new.....here is a link to the previous SOP that was replaced following this year's annual review.....

http://aggregator.us/read.php?url=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tZHNwLm9yZy9Eb2N1bWVudCUyMERvd25sb2Fkcy9TT1BQcm9jZXNzaW5nTURhbmRGZWRlcmFsTGF3RW5mb3JjZW1lbnRPZmZpY2Vyc1dlYXJhbmRDYXJyeVBlcm1pdGZpbmFsLnBkZg==

Without some pretty definitive proof, I seriously doubt the MSP is using MD Shooters as a legal resource.

Brooklyn · Sep 9, 2015

dgapilot · Sep 10, 2015

It's interesting to note that the SOP posted on the web has some contradictions when compared to the application instructions (MSP Form 29-01 Rev 12/2012). An example is on the form, it says "Personal Protection: There must be documented evidence of recent threats, robberies, and/or assaults, supported by official police reports or notarized statements from witnesses." yet the SOP makes no mention of notarized statements.

Perhaps this is another area that can be exploited, conflicting information being provided to the public.

esqappellate · Sep 11, 2015

Does anyone have the old language for a business owner/employee restriction? How does it compare to the new language? My impression is that the new language is both clearer and broader. Comments? It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison of each category of the old vs the new.

redeemed.man · Sep 11, 2015

esqappellate said:
Does anyone have the old language for a business owner/employee restriction? How does it compare to the new language? My impression is that the new language is both clearer and broader. Comments? It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison of each category of the old vs the new.

I have had mine modified but IIRC it is something like "to and from the business and while actively engaged in financial business transactions".

Schipperke · Sep 11, 2015

PJDiesel said:
And, no one really needed any further proof.

Wheres my squirrel jpg, I can hear him squeaking about some backroom campaign promises right now!

esqappellate · Sep 11, 2015

boundlessdyad said:
I have had mine modified but IIRC it is something like "to and from the business and while actively engaged in financial business transactions".

So the new language omits the limitation for financial transactions. That's a definite improvement

Straightshooter · Sep 11, 2015

esqappellate said:
Does anyone have the old language for a business owner/employee restriction? How does it compare to the new language? My impression is that the new language is both clearer and broader. Comments? It would be interesting to do a side by side comparison of each category of the old vs the new.

Valid only between residence, XXXX Business, or when actively involved in financial business transactions as Owner of same” Then add the required language of only Maryland Only and not valid where firearms are prohibited.

This also removes the ambiguity as to what constitutes being at the business means when your business is not in a fixed location but instead moves around.

My request to have mine changed to the new language will be in the mail in about 20 minutes.

esqappellate · Sep 11, 2015

Straightshooter said:
Valid only between residence, XXXX Business, or when actively involved in financial business transactions as Owner of same” Then add the required language of only Maryland Only and not valid where firearms are prohibited.

This also removes the ambiguity as to what constitutes being at the business means when your business is not in a fixed location but instead moves around.

My request to have mine changed to the new language will be in the mail in about 20 minutes.

Excellent. This removes a lot of legal jeopardy for this class of restrictions

LoneRanger · Sep 11, 2015

esqappellate said:
Excellent. This removes a lot of legal jeopardy for this class of restrictions

You won't know that until you are arrested for using/carrying beyond your restrictions.....

dblas · Sep 11, 2015

boundlessdyad said:
I have had mine modified but IIRC it is something like "to and from the business and while actively engaged in financial business transactions".

Straightshooter said:
Valid only between residence, XXXX Business, or when actively involved in financial business transactions as Owner of same” Then add the required language of only Maryland Only and not valid where firearms are prohibited.

This also removes the ambiguity as to what constitutes being at the business means when your business is not in a fixed location but instead moves around.

My request to have mine changed to the new language will be in the mail in about 20 minutes.

I believe he was asking for the SOP language to prove a business need for a wear and carry permit, not the language of the restrictions.

Straightshooter · Sep 11, 2015

dblas said:
I believe he was asking for the SOP language to prove a business need for a wear and carry permit, not the language of the restrictions.

Actually, he did ask for the language of the restrictions.

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redeemed.man · Sep 11, 2015

dblas said:
I believe he was asking for the SOP language to prove a business need for a wear and carry permit, not the language of the restrictions.

Nope, I think you are wrong this time my friend.

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PJDiesel · Sep 11, 2015

esqappellate said:
Excellent. This removes a lot of legal jeopardy for this class of restrictions

Mine says essentially the exact same thing, how does the new SOP change anything in regards to restrictions?

dblas · Sep 11, 2015

Straightshooter said:
Actually, he did ask for the language of the restrictions.

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boundlessdyad said:
Nope, I think you are wrong this time my friend.

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If so, then I read his question wrong....Oh well......

GTOGUNNER · Nov 30, 2016

JPG said:
Interesting read. I did notice that MD State Police still use LOTUS NOTES.

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...essing of Handgun Permit Applications (1).pdf

Does anyone have a current link for these SOPs? The above link does not work.

Update ... Just had to search... http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document D...essing of Handgun Permit Applications (1).pdf http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document%20Downloads/S.O.P.%2029-15-007%20-%20Processing%20of%20Handgun%20Permit%20Applications%20%281%29.pdf

According the the SOP this SOP Should have been reviewed 9/04/2016 any update?

Rab1515 · Nov 30, 2016

GTOGUNNER said:
Does anyone have a current link for these SOPs? The above link does not work.

Update ... Just had to search... http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document D...essing of Handgun Permit Applications (1).pdf http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document%20Downloads/S.O.P.%2029-15-007%20-%20Processing%20of%20Handgun%20Permit%20Applications%20%281%29.pdf

According the the SOP this SOP Should have been reviewed 9/04/2016 any update?

Good catch.

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