Is C&R Handgun a valid training exception for HQL?

TAliyev · Mar 16, 2015

I have a C&R handgun (Nagant 1895 in 7.62x38R) that I want to transfer to my son. He does not have HQL but, in my understanding of the law, this transfer should be permitted to go forward by the state police. Now, once he has that handgun on his name, will this ownership work as training exception if he decides to apply for HQL in the future?

Threeband · Mar 16, 2015

Seems to me it should.

I thought about the same thing: the exemption is based on owning a handgun already (or a now-banned long gun). Any handgun. My understanding is that the MSP will accept a "voluntary registration" for anything, even an antique or a replica cap-and-ball pistol.

You should be able to buy a C&R P64 or an antique Iver Johnson or a Pietta Navy Colt, then use that as your exemption from training. Of course, your cap-and-ball gun would now be "registered" if you went that route.

Of course, I'm just speculating, but seems to me the exemption should go through.

whistlersmother · Mar 16, 2015

Check out this thread if he's looking for ways of avoiding costly HQL training: online hunter safety:

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=152111

Dmacri25 · Mar 16, 2015

If this has any merit, ill be a test case. Wife need hql.

Boom Boom · Mar 16, 2015

That should work. FSA2013 exempts the HQL training requirement if the person "lawfully owns a regulated firearm". I'm looking at the enrolled bill (the law) and I don't see anywhere where it says the person had to own the regulated firearm prior to a certain date. So, when you transfer the C&R revolver to your son, you check the C&R box at the top of the 77R to exempt the transfer from the HQL. The transfer process itself defines that particular handgun as regulated, technically qualifying your son for the training exemption. Following the exact letter of the law seems to create the training exemption, as best I can tell.

JamesH · Mar 17, 2015

Yes, this has been specifically addressed by IPs on this site, and there have been posts of folks going exactly this route.

Dmacri25 · Mar 17, 2015

So couldn't one do voluntary registration on a c&r pistol at a barracks and then become exempt from training?

Threeband · Mar 17, 2015

I'm not sure you even have to do a voluntary registration. I think there's a place on the HQL application form where your enter the serial number of whatever handgun you already own which you are basing your exemption claim on. That handgun doesn't have to be registered already, though it will be now!

Blacksmith101 · Mar 18, 2015

Doesn't the "lawfully owns a regulated firearm" have to be prior to Oct. 2013? So if it is a not previously registered firearm might they ask you to prove you lawfully owned it prior to the law going into effect?

Threeband · Mar 18, 2015

I don't recall any such language.

There are all sorts of ways one might "lawfully own" a handgun/regulated firearm which isn't recorded in their registration database. A recent C&R purchase is only one of many ways.

One you specify a handgun as a training exemption, it will be "registered" anyway!

I say just fill out the form, put the C&R Nagant revolver down as the exemption, and send it in. What's the big deal?

There's a whiff of BGOS in the room.

JamesH · Mar 18, 2015

Blacksmith101 said:
Doesn't the "lawfully owns a regulated firearm" have to be prior to Oct. 2013? So if it is a not previously registered firearm might they ask you to prove you lawfully owned it prior to the law going into effect?

Nothing about "pre-2013" in the law or in COMAR. Just "legally owned regulated firearm".

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