Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 17, 2017

press1280 said:
Correct. This is where we need answers. Are they working on either killing the filibuster or working on a larger bill that includes reciprocity but also CAN get 60 votes to pass?
All of these news articles that say the bill is "working it's way through congress" and getting co-sponsors are pure smoke. It means nothing.

These are the laws we need:

- Full reciprocity to any state's permit that includes a training with live fire requirement. I know a lot of you disagree on this (and I'm not convinced it's super effective), but I think stripping the left of their "It'll allow untrained people to carry guns in..." argument is a good thing. There are enough states with easy to obtain non-resident permits that qualify.

- Full federal preemption of all state and local laws that regulate any gun or ammunition type not prohibited by federal law

- A statute that clarifies that police may not detain anyone without probable cause that a person is violating the law, along with attorneys' fees and damages if a detention is later found to be defective

- Repeal of the 1968 GCA provisions prohibiting handgun sales out of state. They serve absolutely zero purpose today, other than to provide profits to FFL transfer agents

- Repeal the Hughes Amendment

All of these need to be packaged together, because the left will whine either way.

Brychan · Jun 17, 2017

How about all laws that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms are null and void.

press1280 · Jun 18, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
These are the laws we need:

- Full reciprocity to any state's permit that includes a training with live fire requirement. I know a lot of you disagree on this (and I'm not convinced it's super effective), but I think stripping the left of their "It'll allow untrained people to carry guns in..." argument is a good thing. There are enough states with easy to obtain non-resident permits that qualify.

- Full federal preemption of all state and local laws that regulate any gun or ammunition type not prohibited by federal law

- A statute that clarifies that police may not detain anyone without probable cause that a person is violating the law, along with attorneys' fees and damages if a detention is later found to be defective

- Repeal of the 1968 GCA provisions prohibiting handgun sales out of state. They serve absolutely zero purpose today, other than to provide profits to FFL transfer agents

- Repeal the Hughes Amendment

All of these need to be packaged together, because the left will whine either way.

The problem with the training requirement is then it creates a scenario where certain permits are good and some are not (and this can change). The courts will allow all sorts of detentions, like in the Revell case, because police aren't required to know gun laws of other states.
It has to be all or nothing IMO.

swinokur · Jun 18, 2017

doesn't help us in MD, but would allow carry in DC by anyone with a home state permit.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/gop-rep-introduces-bill-to-make-concealed-carry-easier-in-dc/

Eleanor Holmes Norton can whine all she wants, but as pointed out by Rep. Massie, congress is the legislature for DC, not the DC Council

SCOTUS Article I Section 8

swinokur · Jun 18, 2017

Perhaps fake Rep. Norton needs to review her Constitutional law class she supposedly took in low school.

Read it and weep there Ms Whiner.

ARTICLE I
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silentdynasty · Jun 18, 2017

Rep. Norton have no idea what she is talking about, she is mad because DC doesn't have any say when it comes to votes so she need to have a seat and zip it.

motorcoachdoug · Jun 18, 2017

silentdynasty said:
Rep. Norton have no idea what she is talking about, she is mad because DC doesn't have any say when it comes to votes so she need to have a seat and zip it.

But that would go against her nature and the nature of the dc gov... if she did that.... the dc gov wants nothing but total control of the people of dc and screw their rights is how they think.... they know they cant keep the fed leo from caring in dc so they think their is enough guns in dc already to protect the people of dc except they forget or worse yet dont know that the SCOTUS has said in a ruling you are responsible for your own safety not the police

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 19, 2017

press1280 said:
The problem with the training requirement is then it creates a scenario where certain permits are good and some are not (and this can change). The courts will allow all sorts of detentions, like in the Revell case, because police aren't required to know gun laws of other states.
It has to be all or nothing IMO.

That's what I meant when I said the police must have probable cause that you are not in compliance. In other words, they have to have probable cause that you are carrying illegally, not just NOT know that you are in compliance.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 19, 2017

swinokur said:
doesn't help us in MD, but would allow carry in DC by anyone with a home state permit.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/gop-rep-introduces-bill-to-make-concealed-carry-easier-in-dc/

Eleanor Holmes Norton can whine all she wants, but as pointed out by Rep. Massie, congress is the legislature for DC, not the DC Council

SCOTUS Article I Section 8

I suspect it's just poor journalism, and that the bill would apply to any other permit, whether resident or not.

swinokur · Jun 19, 2017

he specifically said a permit from your home state. IIRC he was interviwed by a TV reporter and said home state permit.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 19, 2017

swinokur said:
he specifically said a permit from your home state. IIRC he was interviwed by a TV reporter and said home state permit.

I know, but a lot of times they say that, but that's not what the text of the bill says.

swinokur · Jun 19, 2017

oh ok, gotcha. guess we'll wait and see when it's posted

swamplynx · Jun 19, 2017

swinokur said:
oh ok, gotcha. guess we'll wait and see when it's posted

Seems silly to write something new.

They should just push through existing National Reciprocity bills, or if they want to stay constrained in scope to the District, move forward Rubio's bill and its House companion gutting DC's gun laws.

I hate to be a pessimist, but all this extra bill writing and bloviating leads me to believe this will be another "see, we care about your 2A rights" moment.... Hell, if they really cared about Congresscritters and others being able to carry in the District, they could have (with a simple majority) just blocked DC's new G&S statutes from becoming law years ago, immediately post-Palmer.

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 19, 2017

swamplynx said:
Seems silly to write something new.

They should just push through existing National Reciprocity bills, or if they want to stay constrained in scope to the District, move forward Rubio's bill and its House companion gutting DC's gun laws.

I hate to be a pessimist, but all this extra bill writing and bloviating leads me to believe this will be another "see, we care about your 2A rights" moment.... Hell, if they really cared about Congresscritters and others being able to carry in the District, they could have (with a simple majority) just blocked DC's new G&S statutes from becoming law years ago, immediately post-Palmer.

Exactly. This may be our last opportunity to have full control over the federal government for the remainder of America. It's time to act now, not to write new bills. Pass the friggin reciprocity bill and be done with it.

Catmj · Jun 19, 2017

I think most of us in MD are screwed regardless. The compromise to get the necessary votes will be "resident" permits only that will receive national reciprocity, and those of us in non-free states with our non-resident permits will be SOL. JMO

GlocksAndPatriots · Jun 19, 2017

Catmj said:
I think most of us in MD are screwed regardless. The compromise to get the necessary votes will be "resident" permits only that will receive national reciprocity, and those of us in non-free states with our non-resident permits will be SOL. JMO

I don't think that'll be the compromise, I think it's more likely to exclude your own state of residence (so you'll still be able to use your out of state permit in every state BUT Maryland).

KevinK · Jun 19, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
I don't think that'll be the compromise, I think it's more likely to exclude your own state of residence (so you'll still be able to use your out of state permit in every state BUT Maryland).

So only 2% screwed.

pitpawten · Jun 19, 2017

KevinK said:
So only 2% screwed.

This is MDS...definitely screwed 3% :innocent0

DC-W · Jun 19, 2017

Requiring a permit from your home state is better than not offering any reciprocity at all. Would allow millions to carry there (and deal with all the local law headaches) every year.

danb · Jun 19, 2017

I don't care if they let me carry a machine gun in D.C.

D.C. is to be avoided for any one of 532 other reasons.

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