2A MD blames who?

Biggfoot44 · Oct 9, 2017

1. Yes , Defense is also important, and historically has saved our collective butts.

2. Two prong approaches are Good , and can reinforce each other.

For example from the larger world, look to Yassir Arrafat. For decades his diplomatic schict was to the effect of : " Y'all better come to an agreement with me, damn quick. Otherwise you'll have to deal with the Really Crazy Palestinians , chomping at the bit to F' you up ."

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A little bit of tension between the two prongs ? Sure . Keep each side on their toes , and maintain enough apearence of separation for each to have their own voice .

But don't cut each other's throats , and throw bodies under the bus .

ComeGet · Oct 10, 2017

Stoveman said:
Again you're preaching to the wrong congregation. Many of the respondents on this thread have been out on the bricks day after day, week after week in Naptown and those efforts have been well chronicled here. Many of these same folks put down the signs, don a suit and tie and go and testify which is what all the 2A orgs say that they want and yet the leadership of the PP has yet to receive a phone call or a PM by any of the other orgs or the newly independent JJ with an invite to a planning session. The PP sign painting parties/planning sessions are promoted on MDS and the Book of Faces with open invitations to all.

Not that I'm bitching about it, just informing. We will be going strong again this year with or without coordination or planning efforts by MSI, MSRPA, the NRA rep, AGC legislative liason, etc. If some of those organizations feel that partnering with the PP endangers their tax exempt status we totally get that but every member of the PP is also a private citizen and it would seem to me that anyone who is willing to get out on the bricks week after week in whatever weather would be someone that these orgs would want to recruit to help get the message out.

The "activists" and "radicals" who attend the HPRB meetings are not there on the behalf of or organized by the PP. These are just regular MDS folks exercising their right to attend open meetings of a state board. Why JJ would choose to alienate the very same folks he is allegedly working for is a mystery to me.

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And, I'm going to take the uncouth step of quoting and "fixing" my own post -

ComeGet said:
With Second Amendment supporters like that, who needs Democrats?

Raineman · Oct 10, 2017

Biggfoot44 said:
Keep each side on their toes ,

Or according to the email...one side on their leash.

swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

Bad PP ! Bad PP! Hush!

MDFF2008 · Oct 10, 2017

I feel like someone should point out this simple fact.

Didn't the Review Board uphold the MSP like 99% of the time before people started attending? So even if it does end up as an Admin Hearing, is there really a net loss?

Biggfoot44 · Oct 10, 2017

Didn't say I agreed with the email .
I was advocating a multi prong approaches. Both sides don't have to be in total lockstep. More plates in the air, more chance somthing will stick . Ideally one prong can play off the other prongs approaches.

But we shouldn't throw under buses . But JJ's bus throwing isn't enough to write off all old school lobbying.

swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

I agree but the email could hardly be construed as lobbying . I note your point about that.

Let's face it, JJ blew it. He needn't take out his anger on us despite his difficulties and travails with AGC.

IMO, it was a cheap shot about a group that sees the path forward in a different light than he does. We can have different opinions on tactics. He owes the community an apology

BeoBill · Oct 10, 2017

swinokur said:
He owes the community an apology

I agree. This isn't his first rodeo.

There's a time and place for everything; some approaches work, some don't. I fail to see how the Public attending a public meeting could be taken as intimidation. Hell, most of the seats remain empty anyway. He can't blame us; we made it crystal clear that we were attending as "citizens," not as members of any group.

I suspect some of the proposed law stems from Jumpin' Jenny and her gaggle of preschoolers whining to their legislators. To them, anyone who shaves regularly is "intimidating" and "coercive." They would have wet their Depends if there were only two males in attendance.

And I think JJ was ill-advised to blast out that screed of his. It's fine to vent on the keyboard, but when you press [Enter] it's just too late to take it back.

Rack&Roll · Oct 10, 2017

Look at it this way: can you think of any other Merry Band of Radicals—in Maryland, or anywhere in America—who have fired up Patriot hearts across the country in the same way that those out of control “HPRB activists” have this year?

To wit: the lastest edition of Vanity Fair, published just this afternoon...(hats off to ZenMonkey for his inspired message!)

It’s a new day, and flip-phones and “blast faxes” ain’t the coin of the realm.
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swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

Rack&Roll said:
It’s a new day, and flip-phones and “blast faxes” ain’t the coin of the realm.
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most assuredly sire

And two months ago I got rid of my flip phone

eruby · Oct 10, 2017

swinokur said:
most assuredly sire

And two months ago I got rid of my flip phone

I weep.

swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

like the Wizard in OZ making the cataclysmic decision to return Dorothy to Kansas himself, I was forced into a cataclysmic decision by my daughter who told me upon a 3 hour late arrival at Dulles at midnight...

"Dad I'll get you an Uber but next time you can walk or take a 110 dollar cab ride."

I went to the Verizon store the next morning.

:sad20:

babalou · Oct 10, 2017

well

eruby said:
I weep.

Guess now we need legislation to place it under the extreme extinction list due to your phone being the last of it's kind... :lol2:

eruby · Oct 10, 2017

babalou said:
Guess now we need legislation to place it under the extreme extinction list due to your phone being the last of it's kind...

Along with my case of Space Food Sticks!!!

Schipperke · Oct 10, 2017

swinokur said:
most assuredly sire

And two months ago I got rid of my flip phone

Jax, Chibs and Tig weep.

swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

j_h_smith · Oct 10, 2017

BeoBill said:
I agree. This isn't his first rodeo.

There's a time and place for everything; some approaches work, some don't. I fail to see how the Public attending a public meeting could be taken as intimidation. Hell, most of the seats remain empty anyway. He can't blame us; we made it crystal clear that we were attending as "citizens," not as members of any group.

I suspect some of the proposed law stems from Jumpin' Jenny and her gaggle of preschoolers whining to their legislators. To them, anyone who shaves regularly is "intimidating" and "coercive." They would have wet their Depends if there were only two males in attendance.

And I think JJ was ill-advised to blast out that screed of his. It's fine to vent on the keyboard, but when you press [Enter] it's just too late to take it back.

He's still trying to run things like he did AGC. By his rules and damn anyone trying to get in his way.

It's a shame, a real shame...

swinokur · Oct 10, 2017

His hyperbole in describing us as "activists trying to intimidate the HPRB" while quietly observing a public meeting smacks of desperation IMO.

Stoveman · Oct 10, 2017

Rest assured that just like the Phoenix, JJ the Walrus will rise from his ash heap of a stolen email list and again early next year will take his rightful place next to our glorious NRA rep as the "first string" of testifiers in Annapolis where he will promptly turn off every black legislator on the committee when he utters the phrase "our people don't behave like that".

All Hail Lord Walrus, rightful king of all the 2A realm in Merryland! Cross him at your peril ye activists and radicals, for Lord Walrus defends the status quo like a fat kid with his last cookie....

Biggfoot44 · Oct 11, 2017

Swinkour can't have eliminated the Last Flip Phone , because I still have mine .

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