2A MD blames who?

Wow, funny stuff!

Need the squirrel on a T-shirt or coffee mug.

The cartoon was Purtillo’s dig at 2005 “activism”.

Whoa, someone thinks the HPRB Gallery is a tough crowd? (NSFW)

https://youtu.be/wz09c7PrgqI

j_h_smith said:

For those who don't remember Jim started this crap back in 2005. He's a copy of a news article from back then.

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Bad link

Rack&Roll said:

Whoa, somone thinks the HPRB Gallery is a tough crowd? (NSFW)

https://youtu.be/wz09c7PrgqI

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that is my testimony prep..

Schipperke said:

"Purtilo, publisher of the newsletter Tripwire, has set up a Web site, www squirreltalk net, mocking gun advocates who are pushing this year's right-to-carry legislation as politically naive."

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That's the one!

swinokur said:

Has JJ posted here?

Nope.

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I’m pretty sure JJ doesn’t read MDS regularly. He never has before. Usually posts and runs when he wants to say something. I could be wrong.

He has logged in at least twice after I started the thread.

I'm sure his sycophants alerted him.

Too bad he hasn't responded. The silence is deafening.

Maybe we'll see him at Tuesday's HPRB meeting.

Sure are a lot of "guests" looking around... just sayin'

swinokur said:

He has logged in at least twice after I started the thread.

I'm sure his sycophants alerted him.

Too bad he hasn't responded. The silence is deafening.

Maybe we'll see him at Tuesday's HPRB meeting.

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I stand corrected.

EL1227 said:

Bad link

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That was the original link to the post on a forum from years ago. I don't have the link to the forum. This came from my personal stash from the ghost 2A Christmas Past.

Just something I saved for many years.

Sorry.

Vetted84 said:

I have no beef, just pointing out how it is possible for someone that regularly peruses these forums, like JJ and others, to come away with a incorrect impression.

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So if you are a constant lurker, shouldn't you have stepped on and set the record straight?

bingo

Not_an_outlaw said:

So if you are a constant lurker, shouldn't you have stepped on and set the record straight?

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He's not interested in anyone's opinion. Conflagration is his mode of operation.

Ranchero50 said:

I always felt from prior flare ups that JJ had a vested interest in W+W from the HPRB and he attacked this forums members over that. I think he should have separated business from personal issues, especially in light of gun issues where W+W were in the wrong from the get go.

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Best I recall, there were some jerks who made threats, or at least very inappropriate remarks regarding them. While he apparently had bad feelings about MDS before that, he seems to be using a broad brush to blame everyone here for whoever did that.

swinokur said:

He has logged in at least twice after I started the thread.

I'm sure his sycophants alerted him.

Too bad he hasn't responded. The silence is deafening.

Maybe we'll see him at Tuesday's HPRB meeting.

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Remember, too, logging in is not required to see this thread.

As to the concern about the antis reading this and seeing us "eating our own," I'm not bothered. Grownups sometimes have differences and say what they think. I have yet to see how anything in this thread (or on this site, for that matter) has harmed 2A rights in Maryland.

I agree, but inaccurate portrayals and inaccuracies need to be called out, which I did.

I consider myself an activist because of my legal participation in 2A activities, including attendance at HPRB meetings as much as I am able.

But to portray an unidentified group of people as intimidating without any specifics, is beyond what I would tolerate, since it lumps me and others in that group together with whoever JJ has a beef with personally .

IMO it was a cheap shot plain and simple.

JJ can find a better way to air his grievances with those people.

My .02 again

swinokur said:

I agree, but inaccurate portrayals and inaccuracies need to be called out, which I did.

I consider myself an activist because of my legal participation in 2A activities, including attendance at HPRB meetings as much as I am able.

But to portray an unidentified group of people as intimidating without any specifics, is beyond what I would tolerate, since it lumps me and others in that group together with whoever JJ has a beef with personally .

IMO it was a cheap shot plain and simple.

JJ can find a better way to air his grievances with those people.

My .02 again

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I completely agree. My comment wasn't meant to excuse the terrible message in that email, just an observation.

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ComeGet said:

Best I recall, there were some jerks who made threats, or at least very inappropriate remarks regarding them. While he apparently had bad feelings about MDS before that, he seems to be using a broad brush to blame everyone here for whoever did that.

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I agree, but just to clarify. I attend most meetings, going back to before Hogan was even sworn in. The only intimidation I ever recall at any meeting was when they were held behind secured doors in the MSP Glen Burnie barracks in violation of the OMA. Well, there was the time when former Chairman Thomas asked me who "invited" me to the meeting. Soon after which he told me it was time for me to "get out" when he wanted to deliberate in secret without following or even knowing what the Open Meeting Act was. Even then those that attended with me remained respectful while advancing our collective rights to attend. We have advanced the cause and things are now much improved - better facilities, less Big Brother, better informed and documented decisions, and far more transparency.

I believe JJ was instrumental in giving you all West and White as Board members, and we all know how well that worked out for many applicants. Even so, I don't ever recall anyone that attended a single meeting ever making threats or intimidating remarks to any Board member EVER.

There was an unsubstantiated allegation that someone (not an attendee) directed their personal displeasure toward either West or White, but that unsubstantiated allegation lacked details and appeared in JJ's own first missive attacking attendees and MDS members without attributing specific blame to any individual. Did it happen? I don't know. If it did, was it an attendee or MDS member? I don't know, but apparently JJ felt comfortable throwing us all under the bus anyway.

And here we are a year later - after continuing to attend and hold the Board accountable to the law and proper procedure - being inappropriately thrown under the bus by JJ AGAIN because he prefers one on one back room deals with anti-self defense legislators like Madeleno. And no, I am not suggesting direct interaction with our elected officials is a bad thing, but suggesting it is the only effective method is both naive and arrogant.

JJ and his fledging upstart 2A group with its stolen name and Facebook account, and stolen AGC email list can email blast away with whatever garbage he wants, but I say no thanks.

I will be at the next Board meeting on Tuesday night, and would be happy to meet anyone else that decides to attend. Hope to see you there, you will meet a great group of 2A patriots. If not, maybe JJ will invite you all to attend his one on one meeting with Madeleno!

Maybe JJ will attend to further document said "intimidation".

I am having cataract surgery Monday buit barring any complications, I plan on attending.

With two good eyes, I should have no problem seeing said "intimidation"

swinokur said:

Maybe JJ will attend to further document said "intimidation".

I am having cataract surgery Monday buit barring any complications, I plan on attending.

With two good eyes, I should have no problem seeing said "intimidation"

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Excellent write up Gryphon. No matter what, you and swinokur are very “clear-eyed” with your takes on this. We are lucky to have you both on the team pulling the Patriot wagon, often uphill.

Prayers up, Stu, for your eye surgery Monday!