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RepublicOfFranklin · Nov 24, 2018

Has anyone had their guns actually returned yet? Until I can read about that I’m considering the returns as hypothetical. It’s just an excuse for extrajudicial confiscation.

If the courts don’t set this right, I’m worried things will only get worse. If the govt betrays it’s constituents it’ll be hard to keep convincing people to play by their rules.

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44man · Nov 24, 2018

Allen65 said:
If it was lawfully possessed prior to seizure, yes. If not, you get to join it locked up at a police station.

Well hopefully they stay locked up no longer than murdering Baltimorgue hood rats

Defense Rifle · Nov 24, 2018

fabsroman said:
Thanks for clearing that up. Sometimes, bad information can be very bad for the person relying on it.

As I mentioned that bit about getting your gun back is from one LEO source. He's an officer in MSP so take it for what its worth. How the law is written is one thing, what they actually do or what ends up actually happening is another. A great example of this is "good and substantial" which isn't mandated by law but instituted by MSP. He has personally seen people being denied their firearms back because they failed to prove they are in good standing.

Do you have any information on those that were red-flagged and got their guns back? Getting your gun back after getting red-flagged is difficult in Maryland because more often then not a liberal judge gets to make that decision.

Also AFAIK there is no limit to how often someone can be red-flagged in MD.

Also not trying to stir any pots here. Just sharing my discontent with red flag laws in general. There needs to be a legal challenge against this law.

clandestine · Nov 24, 2018

Russ D said:
I have 4 cousins who are active LEO in MD. I love each of them dearly. None will ever be a part of my life again because of conversations regarding this law.

I too have cut ties with a few acquaintances and those who are L.E. due to their support for this Law.

I will even cut ties with people who are friendly to those who are supportive of this law.

Stoveman · Nov 24, 2018

Defense Rifle said:
As I mentioned that bit about getting your gun back is from one LEO source. He's an officer in MSP so take it for what its worth. How the law is written is one thing, what they actually do or what ends up actually happening is another. A great example of this is "good and substantial" which isn't mandated by law but instituted by MSP. He has personally seen people being denied their firearms back because they failed to prove they are in good standing.

Do you have any information on those that were red-flagged and got their guns back? Getting your gun back after getting red-flagged is difficult in Maryland because more often then not a liberal judge gets to make that decision.

Also AFAIK there is no limit to how often someone can be red-flagged in MD.

Also not trying to stir any pots here. Just sharing my discontent with red flag laws in general. There needs to be a legal challenge against this law.

But it actually is. The definition of what a "good and substantial" reason actually is would be the part where MSP came in and made up their own definitions.

DaemonAssassin · Nov 25, 2018

clandestine said:
I too have cut ties with a few acquaintances and those who are L.E. due to their support for this Law.

I will even cut ties with people who are friendly to those who are supportive of this law.

My sister has moved far to the left, in regards to gun control. I'm not going to be making appearances at Christmas or Easter dinners at her house, nor will I be attending my nephew's birthday parties. I want nothing to do with her, my BIL, or nephew anymore, because I can't trust that manipulative, stuck up, spend it like she stole the printing press, two faced b!tch.

boothdoc · Nov 25, 2018

This doesn’t prove anything I said was wrong.

It is a clear violation of rights. Sitting in domestic court doesn’t make it any more legal according to the constitution.
Don’t try to make your point by guilting or shaming others. Doesn’t work well at all with me.

boothdoc · Nov 25, 2018

clay_shooter said:
Sit in on domestic court for a couple weeks and come back to us with an updated opinion.

I know some people who act as court monitors. Most of them have to take breaks because the cases are too emotionally draining.

This was who I was replying to.

ironpony · Nov 25, 2018

100 served and 1 really served. Usually when new laws come out it takes time for people to know of them, this was quick I think. Hogan will allow this law to expand.
In addition to numbers served, date of return and expedience would be interesting. Is the number of firearms confiscated from each person public info? number confiscated as a whole? Getting guns off the streets is their whole knee jerk agenda, JAThought, so yes, numbers returned will be interesting.

Its dividing people into groups, I'm hesitant to use the word "classes", Thanks for your input Clandestine I feel I can take that to the bank.
Hold on, someones at my door

RoadDawg · Nov 25, 2018

RepublicOfFranklin said:
Has anyone had their guns actually returned yet? Until I can read about that I’m considering the returns as hypothetical. It’s just an excuse for extrajudicial confiscation.

If the courts don’t set this right, I’m worried things will only get worse. If the govt betrays it’s constituents it’ll be hard to keep convincing people to play by their rules.

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Defense Rifle said:
As I mentioned that bit about getting your gun back is from one LEO source. He's an officer in MSP so take it for what its worth. How the law is written is one thing, what they actually do or what ends up actually happening is another. A great example of this is "good and substantial" which isn't mandated by law but instituted by MSP. He has personally seen people being denied their firearms back because they failed to prove they are in good standing.

Do you have any information on those that were red-flagged and got their guns back? Getting your gun back after getting red-flagged is difficult in Maryland because more often then not a liberal judge gets to make that decision.

Also AFAIK there is no limit to how often someone can be red-flagged in MD.

Also not trying to stir any pots here. Just sharing my discontent with red flag laws in general. There needs to be a legal challenge against this law.

Due to the time frame set down in the law for appeals and hearings. (AIUI) It is far too early to even ask such a question. But, we do know this much... nearly half of those who were the subject of a 1302 Application... never even had their guns taken in the first place.

So... while I despise the 1302... and find the potential for abuse untenable... I am not going to go off in a worried tangent on issues which have yet to play out.

ted76 · Nov 25, 2018

In Frederick County 8 ERPOs have been issued, so far, with 4 of these having been determined to be finalized. :sad20:

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/n...cle_9fd269e4-a70e-574f-a50f-1f3e40d8f3e5.html

Shinny · Nov 25, 2018

daNattyFatty said:
That is wildly incorrect.

If the order is dropped at the hearing with the judge, then the guns are required to be returned within 14 days. If the order is granted, you can appeal. If it remains in effect, then the guns are kept until the order is no longer in effect.

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I've heard of a situation in which an order was dismissed and the respondant was having a heck of a time getting his stuff back. He said no one wanted to sign on "that line". The next response was "I doubt it was designed to be easy to get them back". This poor person, who did nothing wrong had to fight with the storing agency, lost time at work, aggravation etc.

daNattyFatty · Nov 25, 2018

Shinny said:
I've heard of a situation in which an order was dismissed and the respondant was having a heck of a time getting his stuff back. He said no one wanted to sign on "that line". The next response was "I doubt it was designed to be easy to get them back". This poor person, who did nothing wrong had to fight with the storing agency, lost time at work, aggravation etc.

Yeah I don’t deny people won’t run into issues like that. Though it’s not exactly begging to get your guns back, it’s suing the f*ck out of the agency and government to follow the law. The law doesn’t allow for the police to “feel like someone shouldn’t get their guns back.”

The person is either prohibited or they’re not. That standard is a pretty black and white thing.

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RoadDawg · Nov 25, 2018

ted76 said:
In Frederick County 8 ERPOs have been issued, so far, with 4 of these having been determined to be finalized.

https://www.fredericknewspost.com/n...cle_9fd269e4-a70e-574f-a50f-1f3e40d8f3e5.html

Interesting... I think I may have pointed this out somewhere.

From the article...

Earlier in November, Anne Arundel County police officers shot and killed the person they were serving with an ERPO. The man allegedly became irate and fired his gun at the officers, the Capital Gazette reported. For opponents of the new law, the incident illustrated the dangerous situations the ERPOs create for gun owners and law enforcement. For others, the shooting underscored the law’s necessity.

A response to the article.. :lol2:

Johndoe1
Nov 24, 2018 10:04am
Democrats are like Christmas lights, half of them don’t work and the half that do aren’t very bright

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Shinny · Nov 25, 2018

daNattyFatty said:
Yeah I don’t deny people won’t run into issues like that. Though it’s not exactly begging to get your guns back, it’s suing the f*ck out of the agency and government to follow the law. The law doesn’t allow for the police to “feel like someone shouldn’t get their guns back.”

The person is either prohibited or they’re not. That standard is a pretty black and white thing.

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I agree 100%. It sucks that people have to go through this crap.

East2West · Nov 25, 2018

daNattyFatty said:
Yeah I don’t deny people won’t run into issues like that. Though it’s not exactly begging to get your guns back, it’s suing the f*ck out of the agency and government to follow the law. The law doesn’t allow for the police to “feel like someone shouldn’t get their guns back.”

The person is either prohibited or they’re not. That standard is a pretty black and white thing.

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Suing the f&-k out of an agency to get your guns back. Some people may not be able to afford to do that. Guess those folks and their rights are SOL.
The law doesn't allow for cops to "feel like someone shouldn't get their guns back" but really, who is there to enforce them giving back the guns?

clandestine · Nov 25, 2018

DaemonAssassin said:
My sister has moved far to the left, in regards to gun control. I'm not going to be making appearances at Christmas or Easter dinners at her house, nor will I be attending my nephew's birthday parties. I want nothing to do with her, my BIL, or nephew anymore, because I can't trust that manipulative, stuck up, spend it like she stole the printing press, two faced b!tch.

I have cut ties with almost every member of my extended family. Some over politics, some over gun rights, but most of all it's over the red flag law. I won't have relationships with people that I don't fully trust that have the power to red flag me.

DaemonAssassin · Nov 25, 2018

clandestine said:
I have cut ties with almost every member of my extended family. Some over politics, some over gun rights, but most of all it's over the red flag law. I won't have relationships with people that I don't fully trust that have the power to red flag me.

I am looking at those who I believe would initiate the red flag on me and eliminating them. First one was my sister. The list is actually relatively short.

rbird7282 · Nov 25, 2018

Shinny said:
I've heard of a situation in which an order was dismissed and the respondant was having a heck of a time getting his stuff back. He said no one wanted to sign on "that line". The next response was "I doubt it was designed to be easy to get them back". This poor person, who did nothing wrong had to fight with the storing agency, lost time at work, aggravation etc.

Was this before or after the new law was passed? Was the respondent served an ERPO since the law took effect?

Anotherpyr · Nov 25, 2018

Johndoe1
Nov 24, 2018 10:04am
Democrats are like Christmas lights, half of them don’t work and the half that do aren’t very bright

Too bad you can’t throw them in the trash and get a new set.

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