Why was the mag bill withdrawn

Zorros · Mar 8, 2018

I am following that the house bill was withdrawn, maybe by k anderson, but i would be grateful if anyone can sketch the details of why and what happened. And the senate bill? Can it move forward without a companion house bill and where does it and the chairman of the SJC stand? I found the idea of either ridding myself of a lot of property or becoming a criminal very disturbing.

scjamesm · Mar 8, 2018

Because it was an ineffective piece of legislation that would have cost the state too much money, cause law-abiding citizens to become instant felons, as well as be unconstitutional. I'd watch the video stream of that day. People made the Baltimore Delegation look like complete idiots.

Zorros · Mar 8, 2018

Did anderson or whomever state his/ their reason or simply withdraw without comment? I did try to access the recoding, but was unable to. Thanks.

Raineman · Mar 8, 2018

Anderson just withdrew the bill. To everyone there, no explanation was necessary. It was obvious. Watch the hearing, it was awesome.

dblas · Mar 8, 2018

Zorros said:
I am following that the house bill was withdrawn, maybe by k anderson, but i would be grateful if anyone can sketch the details of why and what happened. And the senate bill? Can it move forward without a companion house bill and where does it and the chairman of the SJC stand? I found the idea of either ridding myself of a lot of property or becoming a criminal very disturbing.

No explanation given, not required to be given, Delegate Anderson withdrew the bill after realizing that it was not a workable law.

It was not his bill, but rather a bill advanced by Baltimore City, and brought forward by the Baltimore City Delegation, and as the head of the delegation, Delegate Anderson gets the privilege of presenting the bill.

The Senate bill is very much in play, but to what extent, we don't know yet. Yes, it can advance without a companion bill, and 99% of bills in either house have no companion bill on the other side of the street. But, it makes it harder for the Senate bill to pass since the House version was withdrawn in committee, but not impossible.

Zorros · Mar 8, 2018

Has zirkin indicated his positionon the senate bill? Or more importantly, miller?

danb · Mar 8, 2018

The bills never had support to begin with. Delegates submit bills for grandstanding purposes a lot of times.

Trying to get inside the mind of a Delegate is a pointless exercise.

Chris · Mar 8, 2018

It just shows that every once in awhile reason prevails. There are countless videos of gunners firing as many rounds with ten, twenty, and thirty rounders showing that there was a difference of seconds. Even with the multi magazines changes. Chris

rob-cubed · Mar 8, 2018

True, but the gun laws that HAVE been passed have never really been grounded in fact or efficacy. Reason never comes into play, they'll pass whatever they think they can pass and have stand under legal scrutiny.

Stagstalker · Mar 8, 2018

I searched for a recording of the committee meeting but no luck, many would benefit from the experience.

CroftonBilly · Mar 8, 2018

Video of the hearing here: http://mgahouse.maryland.gov/mga/pl...?catalog/03e481c7-8a42-4438-a7da-93ff74bdaa4c

Found from here: http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmcommittees.aspx?pid=av&tab=subject7
Select House Judiciary March 6, 2018 video.

FYI prior Senate discussion of this magazine legislation is in the Select Senate Judiciary February 22, 2018 video.

md123 · Mar 8, 2018

scjamesm said:
Because it was an ineffective piece of legislation that would have cost the state too much money, cause law-abiding citizens to become instant felons, as well as be unconstitutional. I'd watch the video stream of that day. People made the Baltimore Delegation look like complete idiots.

Anyone have the link of the video stream?

Boom Boom · Mar 8, 2018

Zorros said:
I am following that the house bill was withdrawn, maybe by k anderson, but i would be grateful if anyone can sketch the details of why and what happened. And the senate bill? Can it move forward without a companion house bill and where does it and the chairman of the SJC stand? I found the idea of either ridding myself of a lot of property or becoming a criminal very disturbing.

Enough of them probably understood it directly violates the ex post facto clause in the COTUS. Had they criminalized existing ownership, I was prepared to secure a great 2A lawyer, file suit, and follow through no matter the time and cost. I'm done being infringed upon by political scum.

danb · Mar 8, 2018

I really love all the people volunteering that withdrawing the bill had something to do with logic and reason. If there were logic and reason involved, 3/4 of the gun bills would not be introduced in the first place.

The attempt at grandstanding backfired, pure and simple. We beat them at their own game.

Raineman · Mar 8, 2018

dblas said:
No explanation given, not required to be given, Delegate Anderson withdrew the bill after realizing that it was not a workable law.

It was not his bill, but rather a bill advanced by Baltimore City, and brought forward by the Baltimore City Delegation, and as the head of the delegation, Delegate Anderson gets the privilege of presenting the bill.

The Senate bill is very much in play, but to what extent, we don't know yet. Yes, it can advance without a companion bill, and 99% of bills in either house have no companion bill on the other side of the street. But, it makes it harder for the Senate bill to pass since the House version was withdrawn in committee, but not impossible.

The scary part is that the magazine bill was apparently a conception of the Baltimore City School STUDENTS and are the ones driving it (at least according to C4).

Scary in the fact that they are future voters/law makers, which is precisely why children should not (and don't) make laws.

engineerbrian · Mar 8, 2018

md123 said:
Anyone have the link of the video stream?

http://mgahouse.maryland.gov/mga/pla...a-93ff74bdaa4c

Go to the 3hr mark and enjoy the show.

Copied and pasted from the main thread on page 17.

davsco · Mar 8, 2018

perhaps didn't want the embarrassment of it not passing? surprised though. thought their MO was throw everything against the wall, for as long as they can, hoping something sticks. that shows everyone they're 'doing something.'

rseymorejr · Mar 8, 2018

I watched the video yesterday and I'm pretty sure that the Black woman sitting between Anderson and the Police Dept Rep ( that was testifying on the wrong bill) said several times "magazines of 10 or more..."
I'm not sure if she was just blabbering incoherently or doesn't know the difference or just doesn't care.

bibitor · Mar 8, 2018

Raineman said:
Scary in the fact that they are future voters/law makers, which is precisely why children should not (and don't) make laws.

I'm not scared of the students. I remember what it was like to be young, stupid, and idealistic...I'm still working on the stupid part. C4 pointed-out in the same segment yesterday that it is the role of adults to correct blind ideology and educate our young people. That said, I'm terrified by the adults, especially the educators.

Naptown52 · Mar 8, 2018

scjamesm said:
Because it was an ineffective piece of legislation that would have cost the state too much money, cause law-abiding citizens to become instant felons, as well as be unconstitutional. I'd watch the video stream of that day. People made the Baltimore Delegation look like complete idiots.

In other words... common sense won its first victory in Maryland???

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