AR lower before October

slybarman · Apr 5, 2013

Sorry, if this was posted elsewhere.

Now that we know more-or-less what the statute will look like can someone tell me:

If I take posession of an AR lower and some 20 rd mags before October, can I complete the build after October without having to register?

Thanks.

mac1_131 · Apr 5, 2013

registration was amended out of the bill except for persons moving into the state after the effective date

receivers are sold as regulated, so it's already registered (unless it is a 80% then it isn't)

still probably doesn't matter, as registration is out

cantonglocker · Apr 5, 2013

registration was taken out of the final bill

Haides · Apr 5, 2013

Was it ever cleared up if you have a lower (or rifle) waiting in MSP limbo that you have already paid for counts as "owning" it, or do you have to have possession of it by 10/1/13?

2AHokie · Apr 5, 2013

If you buy a lower in MD, aren't you "voluntarily" registered already anyway?

But what mac said is correct.

cantonglocker · Apr 5, 2013

Haides said:
Was it ever cleared up if you have a lower (or rifle) waiting in MSP limbo that you have already paid for counts as "owning" it, or do you have to have possession of it by 10/1/13?

according to Dumbass if you have a "purchase order" before 10//13 you are good

slybarman · Apr 5, 2013

OK - so no registration. But I cannot "acquire" after October. So, same question I guess - if I get the lower now, can I still finish the rest after October?

cantonglocker · Apr 5, 2013

slybarman said:
OK - so no registration. But I cannot "acquire" after October. So, same question I guess - if I get the lower now, can I still finish the rest after October?

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Haides · Apr 5, 2013

To answer the OP, yes, the lower is what is legally considered "the gun." Everything else is just parts and it can be built and changed freely. As long as you have the lower you're good

slybarman · Apr 5, 2013

Haides said:
To answer the OP, yes, the lower is what is legally considered "the gun." Everything else is just parts and it can be built and changed freely. As long as you have the lower you're good

Thank you. I think I will go ahead and order one then. Good to have the option later.

Bravo757 · Apr 5, 2013

Keep in mind the lower receiver is the government defined "firearm" so finishing it later or not is irrelevant in that asspect. Taking possession of a firearm receiver is taking possession of a firearm - period. The rest of the parts are not the "firearm" the lower receiver alone is. Beyond that reality are the "features" that may or may not categorize your chosen collection of parts added to your receiver as a "assault weapon" per our governments new code.

As to "finishing it later" regardless of when you finish it you're still subject to federal barrel length restrictions and now in Maryland depending on the date of completion you have the "features" guidelines r/t a flash suppressor and forward pistol grip. Again these are features that categorize the assembly of parts we see as "a gun". The State in its grand wisdom has seen fit to define levels of restrictions be placed upon not just the "firearm - i.e. the receiver" which has already been regulated for years, but also restricting the added on parts.

After all the way a thing looks is exactly how one should judge the thing- right? If it looks like something the progressives have seen on the TV show 24 in Jack Bower's hand then it must be dangerous- right? and doesn't the government have the responsibility to protect me from my knowledge of the truth and reality and impose upon my free mind the dictated lies and false fears that they have been spreading for decades.

slybarman · Apr 5, 2013

Thank you. I guess that really gets to the heart of what I was asking then. If i finish the build after October, then it sounds like I have to comply with the new law as far as the banned features. I was hoping to be grandfathered from that by virtue of buying the receiver now.

dlmcbm · Apr 5, 2013

well these are the features

(3) has two of the following attributes: (i) folding stock, (ii) grenade or flare launcher, or (iii) flash suppressor.

I don't think many people want a grenade or flare launcher so as long as you don't have a folding stock AND a flash suppressor you are fine with everything else. IMHO I think they are going to have some fights over a flash suppressor and a muzzle brake.

bobthefisher · Apr 5, 2013

Bravo757 said:
Keep in mind the lower receiver is the government defined "firearm" so finishing it later or not is irrelevant in that asspect. Taking possession of a firearm receiver is taking possession of a firearm - period. The rest of the parts are not the "firearm" the lower receiver alone is. Beyond that reality are the "features" that may or may not categorize your chosen collection of parts added to your receiver as a "assault weapon" per our governments new code.

As to "finishing it later" regardless of when you finish it you're still subject to federal barrel length restrictions and now in Maryland depending on the date of completion you have the "features" guidelines r/t a flash suppressor and forward pistol grip. Again these are features that categorize the assembly of parts we see as "a gun". The State in its grand wisdom has seen fit to define levels of restrictions be placed upon not just the "firearm - i.e. the receiver" which has already been regulated for years, but also restricting the added on parts.

After all the way a thing looks is exactly how one should judge the thing- right? If it looks like something the progressives have seen on the TV show 24 in Jack Bower's hand then it must be dangerous- right? and doesn't the government have the responsibility to protect me from my knowledge of the truth and reality and impose upon my free mind the dictated lies and false fears that they have been spreading for decades.

Forward pistol grips are no longer part of the feature list. Buy lowers and receivers of any type of banned rifles specific to the list and their exact manufactured copies. Also buy any semi-auto rifle you want that is less then 29 inches in overall length (e.g. Bullpups). Stop wasting time on pistols, as you'll still be ABLE to get them after Oct. 1st, just without any magazines if they're over 10rnds.

sajidakh · Apr 6, 2013

Everyone stop making this so damn complicated. You guys are looking into this bs law more than the aholes who thought of it ever did. Buy your lower before Oct. and build it whenever you want. Even if they found some ridiculous way to ban the purchase "pistol grips" or "uppers." Nothing stopping you from crossing the border and picking that shit up at a gun store, no questions asked. I swear sometimes, we're our own worst enemies.

Markp · Apr 6, 2013

sajidakh said:
Everyone stop making this so damn complicated. You guys are looking into this bs law more than the aholes who thought of it ever did. Buy your lower before Oct. and build it whenever you want. Even if they found some ridiculous way to ban the purchase "pistol grips" or "uppers." Nothing stopping you from crossing the border and picking that shit up at a gun store, no questions asked. I swear sometimes, we're our own worst enemies.

+1, QFT

slybarman · Apr 6, 2013

I am going to try to n pick up either a PSA or stag arms complete lower in the next week or so. Maybe I will get a complete upper in september or so.

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fabsroman · Apr 6, 2013

Bravo757 said:
Keep in mind the lower receiver is the government defined "firearm" so finishing it later or not is irrelevant in that asspect. Taking possession of a firearm receiver is taking possession of a firearm - period. The rest of the parts are not the "firearm" the lower receiver alone is. Beyond that reality are the "features" that may or may not categorize your chosen collection of parts added to your receiver as a "assault weapon" per our governments new code.

As to "finishing it later" regardless of when you finish it you're still subject to federal barrel length restrictions and now in Maryland depending on the date of completion you have the "features" guidelines r/t a flash suppressor and forward pistol grip. Again these are features that categorize the assembly of parts we see as "a gun". The State in its grand wisdom has seen fit to define levels of restrictions be placed upon not just the "firearm - i.e. the receiver" which has already been regulated for years, but also restricting the added on parts.

After all the way a thing looks is exactly how one should judge the thing- right? If it looks like something the progressives have seen on the TV show 24 in Jack Bower's hand then it must be dangerous- right? and doesn't the government have the responsibility to protect me from my knowledge of the truth and reality and impose upon my free mind the dictated lies and false fears that they have been spreading for decades.

The features test ONLY applies to items that are not on the specific banned weapon list AND they only apply after October 1, 2013. So, if the lower is purchased prior to October 1, 2013, he can build it with as many "features" as he likes because he will have purchased it prior to October 1, 2013.

fabsroman · Apr 6, 2013

dlmcbm said:
well these are the features

I don't think many people want a grenade or flare launcher so as long as you don't have a folding stock AND a flash suppressor you are fine with everything else. IMHO I think they are going to have some fights over a flash suppressor and a muzzle brake.

(G) “FLASH SUPPRESSOR” MEANS A DEVICE THAT FUNCTIONS, OR IS INTENDED TO FUNCTION, TO PERCEPTIBLY REDUCE OR REDIRECT MUZZLE FLASH FROM THE SHOOTER’S FIELD OF VISION.

That is the definition from enrolled SB281 and what the law is going to be. I think the only thing that is going to matter is how the manufacturer defines the device on the gun.

lennyk · Apr 6, 2013

fabsroman said:
The features test ONLY applies to items that are not on the specific banned weapon list AND they only apply after October 1, 2013. So, if the lower is purchased prior to October 1, 2013, he can build it with as many "features" as he likes because he will have purchased it prior to October 1, 2013.

+1, that's how I also read it.

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