Must Read Post that brings a balance to the gun control debate

lawrencewendall · Jan 7, 2013

With advocates like that, who needs enemies?

"Getting a gun license could be made as difficult as getting a license to fly an airplane, requiring dozens of hours of training. I would certainly be happy to see policy changes like this. In that respect, I support much stricter gun laws." :sad20:

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

ridethemessiah said:
I stopped after "sensible restrictions". Dude's an idiot

Well he does have a PHD in neuroscience so I doubt he is an "idiot".

BenL · Jan 7, 2013

lawrencewendall said:
With advocates like that, who needs enemies?

That's because he's not an advocate; he's the blogger equivalent to a concern troll.

Concern Troll - In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally. Concern trolls who use fake identities are sometimes known as sockpuppets.

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

BenL said:
That's because he's not an advocate; he's the blogger equivalent to a concern troll.

He supports concealed carry. That is someone who is against us?

Certainly isn't an MDS member though.

QuebecoisWolf · Jan 7, 2013

ericoak said:
He supports concealed carry. That is someone who is against us?

Certainly isn't an MDS member though.

He also favors magazine capacity restrictions, licensing and regulation schemes, banning private sales, and other "reasonable limits." He slams the NRA a couple times without really justifying why (probably to curry favor with anti-gun people) and is of the "the Second Amendment is an outdated law that's just about militias" ilk. At times, he displays ignorance such as finding the "gun show loophole" to be "scary" and being unaware of the fact that gun shows are an extremely unlikely sources of criminals' guns.

He may not be against us on all the issues, but I wouldn't say that he's "with us." By his own confession he's not "with us" when he makes a big song and dance abou finding the "middle ground."

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

QuebecoisWolf said:
He also favors magazine capacity restrictions, licensing and regulation schemes, banning private sales, and other "reasonable limits." He slams the NRA a couple times without really justifying why (probably to curry favor with anti-gun people) and is of the "the Second Amendment is an outdated law that's just about militias" ilk. At times, he displays ignorance such as finding the "gun show loophole" to be "scary" and being unaware of the fact that gun shows are an extremely unlikely sources of criminals' guns.

He may not be against us on all the issues, but I wouldn't say that he's "with us." By his own confession he's not "with us" when he makes a big song and dance abou finding the "middle ground."

That makes him a concern troll though? Or a spy?

I agree but then again if we are limiting our side to only the people who believe that the 2nd amendment means we can have unlicensed machine guns (which I believe), we are going to lose big time. We can't alienate people everyone.

ridethemessiah · Jan 7, 2013

ericoak said:
Well he does have a PHD in neuroscience so I doubt he is an "idiot".

Ok, he is speaking of a subject he knows little about and his thoughts on this matter are counter-intuitive and not indicative of someone who is intelligent.

ridethemessiah · Jan 7, 2013

ericoak said:
That makes him a concern troll though? Or a spy?

I agree but then again if we are limiting our side to only the people who believe that the 2nd amendment means we can have unlicensed machine guns (which I believe), we are going to lose big time. We can't alienate people everyone.

We can, and should have views such as eliminating all gun laws. It is not an agenda that we argue, it is fact and it is human rights. He's arguing an agenda. Agenda vs. Logic... Agenda loses

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

ridethemessiah said:
We can, and should have views such as eliminating all gun laws. It is not an agenda that we argue, it is fact and it is human rights. He's arguing an agenda. Agenda vs. Logic... Agenda loses

Agenda clearly already won in 1934, 1968, etc.

annihilation-time · Jan 7, 2013

jpk1md said:
File that one under "Full Retard"

Next

This....

5.56blaster said:
Yep, full retard ....

....and this.

hawxter996 · Jan 7, 2013

he favors banning semi auto rifles,not a good read to me.

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

ridethemessiah said:
I get what your sayin brother, and compromise is a part of life, but it is not a part of the second amendment. There is no such thing as a sensible restriction because it is not sensible to restrict inanimate objects. The government we pay for uses our money to buy weapons that we can't use our money for. If I want an Abrams with the main gun intact and I have the coin, why should I not be able to buy that.

I disagree. I don't think it is a good idea for the gas station to be able to just sell 4,000LB of TNT to whoever has the money. That sounds like a really poor idea. I don't think you should be able to drive a fully loaded M1 Abrams with high explosive shells down the street.

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

hawxter996 said:
he favors banning semi auto rifles,not a good read to me.

Agreed there.

ridethemessiah · Jan 7, 2013

ericoak said:
Agenda clearly already won in 1934, 1968, etc.

I'm no so sure logic even showed up to those fights

ridethemessiah · Jan 7, 2013

ericoak said:
I disagree. I don't think it is a good idea for the gas station to be able to just sell 4,000LB of TNT to whoever has the money. That sounds like a really poor idea. I don't think you should be able to drive a fully loaded M1 Abrams with high explosive shells down the street.

We make bombs at work with soda bottles and oxy/mapp. Add some nuts and bolts and a 100 foot lead electric match and a dozen people are now dead. But I don't want to kill people. And anybody that wants to kill someone certainly has other, if not better options than TNT.

Apg drives Abrams down the street, why can't I?

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

ridethemessiah said:
We make bombs at work with soda bottles and oxy/mapp. Add some nuts and bolts and a 100 foot lead electric match and a dozen people are now dead. But I don't want to kill people. And anybody that wants to kill someone certainly has other, if not better options than TNT.

Apg drives Abrams down the street, why can't I?

Sorry but you aren't making military grade high explosives. You are making homemade low explosives.

You are more competent than most that want to carry out these attacks.

There is a reason why dozens of terrorist attacks have failed for every OKC that suceeds. They all fail in the bomb making process, or get caught because they need help making one. Think they have to fly Pakistan for no reason.

The same reason they can and you can't is the same reason you can't buy a surface to air missile. The same reason the 1st amendment doesn't protect people who design the Abrams to divulge classified information about it.

ridethemessiah · Jan 7, 2013

I suppose we just differ on this subject. I don't like the government having stuff that is paid for with our money, but they tell us we can't buy it. Not to mention, bombs don't kill people, guns don't kill people, fathers with good looking daughters kill people.

ericoak · Jan 7, 2013

ridethemessiah said:
I suppose we just differ on this subject. I don't like the government having stuff that is paid for with our money, but they tell us we can't buy it. Not to mention, bombs don't kill people, guns don't kill people, fathers with good looking daughters kill people.

I can always agree to disagree.

Martian · Jan 7, 2013

Neuroscientist opinion piece

ridethemessiah said:
Ok, he is speaking of a subject he knows little about and his thoughts on this matter are counter-intuitive and not indicative of someone who is intelligent.

Bingo! I've read a lot of his neuroscience material, and he's considered a leading researcher in that field.

He is basically trying to make the Brady Kool-aid taste reasonable, after deep consideration of something he's never researched and knows little about. If one doesn't have the history, worldview, and strategic view that many here have developed, he really is just like any Hollywood actor with an opinion.

Fallacy of false authority. (He's a genius, so he must know everything about everything.)

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