Creedmoor & Grendel Leverevolution Info

Squaregrouper · May 5, 2021

I keep hearing lots of buzz about how wonderful the powder is and how it is getting really popular with 6.5CM and 6.5 Grendel hand loaders. Unfortunately, I can't find any data on the powder for those calibers. My Google-Fu is strong and I haven't found squat.
H4350 and my Creedmoor get along great. My 20" Grendel loves 8208XBR. I'm still in negotiations with my 24" Grendel; is Leverevolution my 24" Grendel's spirit animal?
Is there some underground secret society who is keeping all the data under wraps?

deerassassin22 · May 5, 2021

Have you looked on Snipers Hide in the load section?

ToolAA · May 5, 2021

I had forgotten about our discussion Saturday. I just tried to compare H4350 and Leverevolutuon using QuickLoad. However, Leverevoulation is currently not included in the QL database.

Some quick googling seems to suggest Leverevolution to be a satisfactory substitute for Varget.

Speed3 · May 5, 2021

ToolAA said:
Some quick googling seems to suggest Leverevolution to be a satisfactory substitute for Varget.

I dont have my burn rate chart handy, but if that is the case varget wins hands down due to being much more temp stable. Leverrevelution isn't super temp stable.

Squaregrouper · May 5, 2021

ToolAA said:
I had forgotten about our discussion Saturday. I just tried to compare H4350 and Leverevolutuon using QuickLoad. However, Leverevoulation is currently not included in the QL database.

Some quick googling seems to suggest Leverevolution to be a satisfactory substitute for Varget.

Why is there an (alleged) huge run on the powder by 6.5CM owners? I keep hearing about how great it is, but nobody seems to have any starting data. You just confirmed that includes QuickLoad, which speaks volumes to me.

85MikeTPI · May 5, 2021

FWIW, as of posting date/time, Leverevolution is available from Hodgdon in 1lb and 8lb jugs

https://shop.hodgdon.com/hodgdon/hodgdon-leverevolution

Squaregrouper · May 7, 2021

deerassassin22 said:
Have you looked on Snipers Hide in the load section?

I dug pretty deep and didn't find anything.

boule · May 7, 2021

squaregrouper said:
I dug pretty deep and didn't find anything.

You sound just like the IRS on Trumps accouts :innocent0

Just fyi. If the powder is not in Quickload, try GRT for a change. The two programs are not completely interchangable but often yield comparable results. Quickload is still curated but updates are slow, GRT is in development.

If you can post the components you want to use, I can run it for you.

Squaregrouper · May 8, 2021

boule said:
You sound just like the IRS on Trumps accouts

Just fyi. If the powder is not in Quickload, try GRT for a change. The two programs are not completely interchangable but often yield comparable results. Quickload is still curated but updates are slow, GRT is in development.

If you can post the components you want to use, I can run it for you.

I have a few I would like to know about:
6.5 Grendel, Hornady brass, CCI SRP, Nosler 123gr BTHP/Hornady 123gr BTHP/Nosler 100gr BTHP
6.5CM, Hornady brass, CCI LRP, Hornady 140gr ELDM

boule · May 8, 2021

squaregrouper said:
I have a few I would like to know about:
6.5 Grendel, Hornady brass, CCI SRP, Nosler 123gr BTHP/Hornady 123gr BTHP/Nosler 100gr BTHP

Just a few caveats: "Hornady brass" is very unspecific. For accurate measurements, I would need the case capacity of the fired brass which is dependent on your case and of course cut chamber.
Primers are more guesstimate than anything else, it depends on "starting pressure".

When putting in your data for the Nosler 123gr CC GRT turns up a "29,7gr" recommendation according to OBT method for a 24" barrel. I have attached the brief report for this particular load as a .pdf file.

Since this is not quickload but gordons reloading tool, you can actually access the programm for free (registration required) and punch in your own designs.
https://www.grtools.de/doku.php

boule · May 8, 2021

And just for shits and giggles, the 100gr load as well. Please bear in mind that the program displays "close to max pressure" for the recommended load of 32,98gr Leverevolution.

Squaregrouper · May 8, 2021

boule said:
Just a few caveats: "Hornady brass" is very unspecific. For accurate measurements, I would need the case capacity of the fired brass which is dependent on your case and of course cut chamber.
Primers are more guesstimate than anything else, it depends on "starting pressure".

When putting in your data for the Nosler 123gr CC GRT turns up a "29,7gr" recommendation according to OBT method for a 24" barrel. I have attached the brief report for this particular load as a .pdf file.

Since this is not quickload but gordons reloading tool, you can actually access the programm for free (registration required) and punch in your own designs.
https://www.grtools.de/doku.php

I appreciate your time and effort, but I'm going to pass on trying that. I'm weary of using simulated data in a language I don't speak. I want some data from tests that were actually run.
Once again, I appreciate you taking your time to look this up.

boule · May 8, 2021

squaregrouper said:
I I'm weary of using simulated data in a language I don't speak. I want some data from tests that were actually run.

Oops, I tend to have my programs set to my native language :-)
Don't worry about it being a simulation, though. You have the same issue with so called "proven load data"- anything just works for the test barrel, chamber and components they had at that point where the test was conducted. If you want to use it in your gun, the results will be different and you will need to match muzzle velocity to the suggested data anyways.

ToolAA · May 8, 2021

boule said:
Oops, I tend to have my programs set to my native language :-)
Don't worry about it being a simulation, though. You have the same issue with so called "proven load data"- anything just works for the test barrel, chamber and components they had at that point where the test was conducted. If you want to use it in your gun, the results will be different and you will need to match muzzle velocity to the suggested data anyways.

Did I miss the comparison between H4350 and Levercolution. All other factors being the same, what was the difference in MV between the two powders?

Squaregrouper · May 8, 2021

boule said:
Oops, I tend to have my programs set to my native language :-)
Don't worry about it being a simulation, though. You have the same issue with so called "proven load data"- anything just works for the test barrel, chamber and components they had at that point where the test was conducted. If you want to use it in your gun, the results will be different and you will need to match muzzle velocity to the suggested data anyways.

My sisters and I are the first generation of native English speakers on my paternal side. My father spoke "High German"/Pennsylvania Dutch growing up.
Interesting tidbit... Someone who is fluent in German and English can fully understand PA Dutch (PA Deutsch), but they can't speak it properly.

erwos · May 9, 2021

My experience with grtools is that it has provided data that matches up to book loads. I think it's pretty great.

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teratos · May 9, 2021

squaregrouper said:
Interesting tidbit... Someone who is fluent in German and English can fully understand PA Dutch (PA Deutsch), but they can't speak it properly.

That is interesting!

GunBum · May 9, 2021

squaregrouper said:
Interesting tidbit... Someone who is fluent in German and English can fully understand PA Dutch (PA Deutsch), but they can't speak it properly.

I concur. I can understand PA Dutch and Amish German about as well as I understand most dialects in Germany. Unlike the Germans, the PA Dutch and Amish don’t usually understand me when I speak to them in German. This is sorta sad when you think about the Amish because they are taught to read the Bible in German.

Seabee · Jun 18, 2021

ToolAA said:
I had forgotten about our discussion Saturday. I just tried to compare H4350 and Leverevolutuon using QuickLoad. However, Leverevoulation is currently not included in the QL database.

Some quick googling seems to suggest Leverevolution to be a satisfactory substitute for Varget.

Lever is in the newest update to quickload as is others.
My son also tested cfe 223 in his 6.5 cm with excellent results with the Barnes lrx. Never worried much about temp sensitivity as long as I get tight groups. Temp sensitivity is a relative thing. If it matters then try some shooters world precision powder, it tested less ts than varget. Cheaper too.

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