RFI selling AR to Maryland Resid.

coopdog373 · Mar 20, 2021

Friends-I thought to seek out the brain trust as the MD laws have changed so much. I am selling of a few items as some of my previous adds have shown and want to give you guys first crack at them before they go up on GunBroker.

Do you have a resource or does anyone know through recent experience if the following can be sold to a MD resident from NOVA through the appropriate FFL's:

Circa Early 1980's Olympic Arms AR in .223.
ArmaLite AR-180-sterling England Model.

All sells would go through an FFL but I am curios if my MD colleagues and even purchase them...

Yes I will double check all info provided but it would be pretty clear to the brain trust that its a "no go" or " can do".

ken792 · Mar 20, 2021

The AR-180 is a banned long gun in MD specifically listed by model.

Bertfish · Mar 20, 2021

Is the AR an HBAR?

coopdog373 · Mar 20, 2021

Hi Folks-Thanks for the MD list with that sad list of nice pieces that are banned. Yes the 180 is on there and I appreciate it, the other item is not listed on the website so I will look to see if its stamped HBAR even though it was made in from what I see in 1981.

ken792 · Mar 20, 2021

coopdog373 said:
Hi Folks-Thanks for the MD list with that sad list of nice pieces that are banned. Yes the 180 is on there and I appreciate it, the other item is not listed on the website so I will look to see if its stamped HBAR even though it was made in from what I see in 1981.

People in MA pay stupid money for AR rifles and lowers made pre-1994. That’s probably your best bet for getting top dollar for it.

https://tombstonetrading.com/firearms/massachusetts-pre-ban-ar-15-and-ak-47-rifles/

https://www.thegunparlor.com/products/olympic-arms-787450664982-787450664982-3873

coopdog373 · Mar 20, 2021

Sorry Friends I pushed enter to fast: Its an Olympic Arms 5.56 MOD SGW CAR AR MFR 1981 as some folks requested the model information.

ken792 · Mar 20, 2021

coopdog373 said:
Sorry Friends I pushed enter to fast: Its an Olympic Arms 5.56 MOD SGW CAR AR MFR 1981 as some folks requested the model information.

An Olympic SGW CAR-AR here is listing for $2749 in MA. It doesn’t seem to be moving, but you could certainly get way more for it there than in MD or VA. Other pre-94s list for a similar amount.

https://www.northeastshooters.com/x...arms-sgw-stop-sign-ar-15-xm177-car-ar.404413/

Vile Shadow · Mar 28, 2021

coopdog373 said:
Friends-I thought to seek out the brain trust as the MD laws have changed so much. I am selling of a few items as some of my previous adds have shown and want to give you guys first crack at them before they go up on GunBroker.

Do you have a resource or does anyone know through recent experience if the following can be sold to a MD resident from NOVA through the appropriate FFL's:

Circa Early 1980's Olympic Arms AR in .223.
ArmaLite AR-180-sterling England Model.

All sells would go through an FFL but I am curios if my MD colleagues and even purchase them...

Yes I will double check all info provided but it would be pretty clear to the brain trust that its a "no go" or " can do".

Yer Olympic’s good if the barrel aint necked down under the handguard

The 180’s banned because of this

**** Maryland :mad54:

slsc98 · Mar 28, 2021

Sling Blade said:
**** Maryland

Yup.

Pinecone · Mar 29, 2021

Sling Blade said:
Yer Olympic’s good if the barrel aint necked down under the handguard

What has that got to do with anything?

MSP states marked or advertised as HBAR. Period.

Boats · Mar 29, 2021

slsc98 said:
Yup.

same with the SPAS used in the same scene.

DaemonAssassin · Mar 29, 2021

Pinecone said:
What has that got to do with anything?

MSP states marked or advertised as HBAR. Period.

MSP "advisory" carries zero force of law and since there is no actual definition of what a HBAR is in COMAR, Sling Blade is correct, given what MSP classified as a "regulated" AR in regards to the barrel profile.

Vile Shadow · Mar 29, 2021

Pinecone said:
What has that got to do with anything?

MSP states marked or advertised as HBAR. Period.

You need them to tell you what a heavy barrel is?

By that stupidity you could stamp a damn pencil barrel and call it legal. .750” from the barrel nut out to the gas block is what I’ve always trusted and always will :cool:

Pinecone · Mar 30, 2021

DaemonAssassin said:
MSP "advisory" carries zero force of law and since there is no actual definition of what a HBAR is in COMAR, Sling Blade is correct, given what MSP classified as a "regulated" AR in regards to the barrel profile.

If you don't mind possibly being the test case.

And will you and Sling Blade pay the person's legal bills?

DaemonAssassin · Mar 30, 2021

Pinecone said:
If you don't mind possibly being the test case.

And will you and Sling Blade pay the person's legal bills?

You get what you pay for on the internet, but no, I won't pay for somebody else's legal bills. I'll pay for my own. And don't think I don't know what you're trying to do by asking me that. You're trying to make me take responsibility for somebody else's actions, based on the advice/ information on here. I'll be as responsible for their actions, as you are for slavery in the US from 1600-1865. Keep pushing the "are you willing to pay their legal bills" as a way to shut people up. It won't work anymore. I will do passive resistance by basing what I do on historical precedent laid down by MSP, before FSA2013.

I still haven't run into any issues with any LE agency over the barrel diameter. They check the serial number and generally ask how hard it is to build a AR. If they don't ask about building one, they let me go. They don't care about the barrel profile.

But keep pushing the bogeyman of BGOS and laws that don't exist. You're doing a bang up job.

IWNC.

DaemonAssassin · Mar 30, 2021

Sling Blade said:
You need them to tell you what a heavy barrel is?

By that stupidity you could stamp a damn pencil barrel and call it legal. .750” from the barrel nut out to the gas block is what I’ve always trusted and always will

This is the smallest I would go with. But you're right.

coopdog373 · Mar 30, 2021

THX Folks-Olympia Arms went to Gunbroker and lasted about 20 minutes in a PreBan State for a premium so thank you to the forum for that advice. The AR-180 is on Gunbroker so my apologies for not listing it here but I felt it just best to not run any chance of misinterpretation on my part.

Pinecone · Mar 30, 2021

My original post on this was to give the MSP side of the issue.

You both gave your opinions as if they had any weight behind them. Which, while they make sense, do not have any official basis.

DaemonAssassin · Mar 31, 2021

Pinecone said:
My original post on this was to give the MSP side of the issue.

You both gave your opinions as if they had any weight behind them. Which, while they make sense, do not have any official basis.

A MSP advisory carries zero official basis or legal standing. I don't know how many times others and myself must repeat that for you to understand.

We did not give you a opinion, we gave you fact.

Basing what I do on what MSP has historically considered a regulated barrel profile is in fact official and legal basis to do what we have said. We know what they considered a regulated barrel profile and are not using those barrel profiles on builds.

But then again I don't care about what MSP says is or isn't legal. I put a non HBAR upper on a post 2013 lower and didn't care. Why? Because I am a American, MD gun laws are unconstitutional, IWNC, and MD laws don't apply to me. I leave it to you to figure out why I am at the point I am at.

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