Need asault weapon I.D.ed

Blacksmith101 · Oct 26, 2017

Arcamm said:
I started to look for some marks and there are some faint ones on the side plate, but rust covered/distorted. I did notice the but plate is marked.

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Must have belonged to the same guy who had this sword:
http://www.stewartsmilitaryantiques...s-light-cavalry-sword-qoryc.26001.archive.htm

Apparently it stands for some variant of this:

1843 the Queen's Own regiment of Yeomanry Cavalry.

Gun Picture
https://www.antiqueswords.com/product/BQ812/British-Yeomanry-Cavalry-Carbine-Dated-1844.html

See: "British Military Firearms 1650-1850" by Blackmore for much more info.

Blacksmith101 · Oct 26, 2017

Arcamm said:
The first thing I did was make sure there wasn't a cap still on it. Then I checked the bore. The rod goes in as far as the rod is in the picture, so I'm assuming there's something in there and treating it as loaded. My $13 bore camera doesn't show much.

What do you think?

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Yes it is loaded! A friend of mine handed me a modern muzzle loader barrel and said "Be careful it's loaded." It took me three hours to get everything out and I am sure yours has been in place much longer.

Arcamm · Oct 26, 2017

It looks like this gun must have started out as one of those. I found a listing for a Pattern 1844 Yeomanry Carbine and everything pretty much lines up except for the barrel. It looks like it has defiantly been replaced. I found another sword article that stated that QOR YC - Queens Own Royal Yeomanry Cavalry.

Now if I could just figure a way to de-rust the lock plate and see If there is anything readable.

...without getting blown up.

Blacksmith101 · Oct 26, 2017

Arcamm said:
It looks like this gun must have started out as one of those. I found a listing for a Pattern 1844 Yeomanry Carbine and everything pretty much lines up except for the barrel. It looks like it has defiantly been replaced. I found another sword article that stated that QOR YC - Queens Own Royal Yeomanry Cavalry.

Now if I could just figure a way to de-rust the lock plate and see If there is anything readable.

...without getting blown up.

Do some reading it works.
https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+rust+removal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Arcamm · Oct 26, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
Yes it is loaded! A friend of mine handed me a modern muzzle loader barrel and said "Be careful it's loaded." It took me three hours to get everything out and I am sure yours has been in place much longer.

I would be very open to any advice for getting it unloaded. Safely!

I would guess it's been loaded for a minimum of 50 years.

Arcamm · Oct 26, 2017

Blacksmith101 said:
Do some reading it works.
https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+rust+removal&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Yes it does. I've used it to de-rust old tractor parts.

TLL · Oct 26, 2017

Spray PB Blaster or your choice into the nipple and barrel,let soak for a few days. Cool project.

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K-43 · Oct 27, 2017

TLL said:
Spray PB Blaster or your choice into the nipple and barrel,let soak for a few days. Cool project.

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I like Kroil, but same result. :thumbsup:

Arcamm · Oct 28, 2017

So the penetrating oil is mostly to disable the charge?

Clovis · Oct 28, 2017

Arcamm said:
So the penetrating oil is mostly to disable the charge?

That's what I would use it for, and to lube the projectile as it is removed.

I don't see or didn't notice what your intentions are with this rifle, whether you want to shoot it eventually or you intend it for a wall hanger.

I would either buy a new rod and a puller or try to remove the nipple and use a compressor to blow the load out. May take quite a bit of pressure to do this and you need to be sure to point it in a very safe direction while doing this.

Have fun and good luck.

Arcamm · Oct 28, 2017

I'm not sure about what to do with it. Unloading is step one. As rusty as the barrel is, I'm not sure if I could trust it. So at the very least it will be a wall hanger. As bubbafied as it is, I doubt it's worth very much, but I wouldn't want to destroy something that might be historical. I don't know if I should try to restore it or leave it with it's current patina. The stock is pretty busted up, but the repairs are very old nails holding it together. All I know about it is that it's been sitting in an attic for the last 50 years.

Any experts in civil war firearms around these parts?

ADR · Nov 5, 2017

Fnh57 said:
Nice detective work

You sure are doing some rapid fire posting in multiple, random, and in some cases old threads today. Are you bored or is there an ulterior motive because when someone is new and they suddenly ramp up the post count in that way it looks suspicious.

iH8DemLibz · Nov 5, 2017

ADR said:
You sure are doing some rapid fire posting in multiple, random, and in some cases old threads today. Are you bored or is there an ulterior motive because when someone is new and they suddenly ramp up the post count in that way it looks suspicious.

What wondrous items will appear in the Classifieds?

BUFF7MM · Nov 5, 2017

ADR said:
You sure are doing some rapid fire posting in multiple, random, and in some cases old threads today. Are you bored or is there an ulterior motive because when someone is new and they suddenly ramp up the post count in that way it looks suspicious.

iH8DemLibz said:
What wondrous items will appear in the Classifieds?

I've got a hunch it's a old member that hasn't posted in awhile, Heinz57 if you get my hint. I might be wrong but some of their post seem to have an odd similarity. Time will tell.

Biggfoot44 · Nov 5, 2017

The term " Bubba'ed " as a pejorative is a recent phenom.

Back in the days when Black Powder was simply gunpowder technology changed fast, needs were varied, donor guns didn't come in wide variety for most folks, and stuff actually wore out in normal usage , this is what everyone except very rich did. Gunsmiths and Blacksmiths with subspeciality in boomsticks were common .

After percussion caps became a thing, conversions were common, particularly if a lock was otherwise worn , and in need of replacing.

Tweaking a smooth bore musket to better handle as a fowling piece, no brainer.

Shortening was occasionally done on purpose , but probably more often as mitigation for damage from muzzle obstruction, or other damage.

And finally reboring with or without rerifling was a common service by 'smiths . Occasionally for larger cal for bear or western game if migrating. But usually after bbl is shot out enough to effect accuracy. Not uncommon for multiple rebores over a period of years.

Back in the muzzleloading era you didn't lightly throw a gun away over wear or parts. ( Unless you were affulent enough for a custom gun ) typically milsurp , or mass produced Trade Guns were modified to need, and repared and updated as required.

Arcamm · Nov 5, 2017

I think this rifle started out as Pattern 1844 Yeomanry Carbine. Everything lines up. The markings on the butt plate are Q.O.R. Y.C. 33 which Mr. Google said stands for Queens Own Royal Yeomanry Calvary.

I think I see a crown! :rolleyes:

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