MD firearms collector question

Bob A said:

"Bona fide" collector means you identify as a collector, in good faith. The State of Maryland has honored your self-description with a letter designating you as a collector, after having verified that you meet their requirements for owning a firearm. So they are also acting in good faith with their determination of your bona fides.

For thirty extra dollars and the price of a stamp, the federal government will, after examining your records, issue you a Federal Firearms license, for the express purpose of your furthering your ability to develop your collection through interstate commerce. The full faith and credit of the almighty US Government is behind you in this endeavor.

After some expenditures you will have a collection, of sorts.

Glocks are not yet 50 years old, nor are they listed in the BATFE C&R lists. However, transporting one or more firearms that would fall into the C&R category ought to acceptable to the court. (It might take some time and money to bring the argument to the court that would find it acceptable, of course.)

It's difficult to see how your status as a "collector" could be questioned, in light of the above.

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bo·na fide
ˌbōnə ˈfīdē
adjective
1. genuine; real.
"only bona fide members of the company are allowed to use the logo"
synonyms: authentic, genuine, real, true, actual;
adverb LAW
1. sincerely; without intention to deceive.

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col·lec·tion
kəˈlekSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: collection
1. the action or process of collecting someone or something.
"the collection of maple sap"

2. a group of things or people.
"a rambling collection of houses"
synonyms: group, crowd, body, assemblage, gathering, throng; More
an assembly of items such as works of art, pieces of writing, or natural objects, especially one systematically ordered.
"paintings from the permanent collection"
synonyms: hoard, pile, heap, stack, stock, store, stockpile; More
an art museum's holdings organized by medium, such as sculpture, painting, or photography.

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swinokur said:

Jury foreman:

We find the defendant guilty on all charges your honor.

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Threeband said:

I think a prosecutor could make a strong argument that you were not acting in Good Faith, but rather in Bad Faith. The law was written to prevent people from bearing arms, that is, routinely driving around with a handgun "just because."

Everything about this "My Designated Collector letter is actually a Licence to Routinely Drive Around with a Handgun Just Because" reeks of Bad Faith, gaming the system, and trying to work loopholes. You are obviously trying to twist a simple exemption from "one gun a month" into something it was absolutely never intended to be, in the process committing the very act which the law was intended to criminalize.

Why?

Why are you transporting the handgun? Are you stopping by the range after work? Then you are legally transporting for target practice. The law says nothing about direct travel, no stops, or such ********, so why are you bullshitting the court with this obvious Bad Faith attempt to game the system?

What annoys me is the "wink, wink, nudge nudge Private Exhibition...yeah, that's it...uh...Private Exhibit of my Valuable Collection...ha ha wink wink nudge nudge." If that annoys me, then I suspect it is really going to piss off the Court.


Do you really think you can show that stupid letter to the cop on the side of the road, and he's going to apologize and give you your gun back? Do you really think that's how it will work?


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Bob A said:

"Bona fide" collector means you identify as a collector, in good faith. The State of Maryland has honored your self-description with a letter designating you as a collector, after having verified that you meet their requirements for owning a firearm. So they are also acting in good faith with their determination of your bona fides.

For thirty extra dollars and the price of a stamp, the federal government will, after examining your records, issue you a Federal Firearms license, for the express purpose of your furthering your ability to develop your collection through interstate commerce. The full faith and credit of the almighty US Government is behind you in this endeavor.

After some expenditures you will have a collection, of sorts.

Glocks are not yet 50 years old, nor are they listed in the BATFE C&R lists. However, transporting one or more firearms that would fall into the C&R category ought to acceptable to the court. (It might take some time and money to bring the argument to the court that would find it acceptable, of course.)

It's difficult to see how your status as a "collector" could be questioned, in light of the above.

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MSP said:

From: "Sgt. Jason Edwards (State Police)" <jason.edwards@maryland.gov>
Date: November 2, 2017 at 3:58:47 PM EDT
To: "V.O.U. Gunsmith" <bpowers@vougunsmith.com>
Subject: Re: MD Designated Collector Application

As previously stated, the Designated Collector status is solely for individuals wishing to purchase more than one handgun in Maryland within a 30 day period. It is in no way related to exception set forth in Section 4-203(b)(5) of the Criminal Law Article. Section 4-203(b)(5) does not require that a person be designated as a collector by the Maryland State Police. In other words, an individual may transport handguns under the provisions of 4-203(b)(5) without having been designated as a collector by the Maryland State Police.


Sergeant Jason Edwards
Maryland State Police
Licensing Division
Firearms Registration Unit
Operations Supervisor
1111 Reisterstown Road
Pikesville, Maryland 21208

Office: 410-653-4508
Fax: 410-653-4036

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lazarus said:

True.

However if you had a C&R license, I bet you could make a good argument to a prosecutor and a better one to a jury (if you had a good lawyer) if you actually were, say, driving your cool Colt 1911 serial number 1432 over to a friends house to show it to them, got in a fender bender and the officer sees it in your trunk.

You are a collector of curios and antiques and you were transporting part of your collection to show it off to a friend. Seems Bona Fide collector transporting part of their collection seems to apply here.

Because under current law I can’t drive a handgun over to show it off to a friend who wants to see it. I mean, I guess I and my friend could quick lie and say he was interested in purchasing it and you might get a sale/transfer exception there.

In this state not something I’d want to dicker with or risk.

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