AR Transfer Rules
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Missed it by that much
It's a long gun. As long as it's not a non-HBAR type, it's FTF. Non-HBAR is banned and can't be transferred to anyone in-state. It may be sold/consigned to FFL for sale out of state. If I made an error, I'll be corrected shortly.
Shame on you for using a double negative in the same sentence.....
That's almost as bad as "Not Disapproved".
shootin the breeze
Missed it by that much
Shame on you for using a double negative in the same sentence.....
That's almost as bad as "Not Disapproved".
I stand corrected. I knew it would happen, just not so fast
wowmattsays
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- Oct 4, 2016
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The issue arises when a lower is offered for sale without a pre-attached upper that makes it into an HBAR, non-HBAR, SBR, Pistol, etc. In MD, when a private individual transfers a "non-regulated" firearm (which includes non-AR long guns - overall length >26", shotguns, and HBAR AR's) to another private individual, there is no governing legislation restricting the transfer. Since a lower that has not been built into "anything" yet has the potential to become a regulated firearm (SBR, Pistol, non-HBAR), then THAT transfer must be done through an FFL, which I believe includes a NICS check.
I am NOT a lawyer, simply a private individual, and this is my best guess interpretation of the MD law as it currently reads. NOTE! Magazines >10 rounds of ANY variation are not able to be transferred from one individual to another under ANY circumstances, private or not.
As stated, if I'm wrong, I'll be corrected shortly!
-Wow
I am NOT a lawyer, simply a private individual, and this is my best guess interpretation of the MD law as it currently reads. NOTE! Magazines >10 rounds of ANY variation are not able to be transferred from one individual to another under ANY circumstances, private or not.
As stated, if I'm wrong, I'll be corrected shortly!
-Wow
Crazy ain’t it? Have to buy a lower thru an ffl BUT not an issue buying a complete Hbar. People that DON’T follow the law just purchase a complete Hbar, and can make an ILLEGAL pistol with the lower. As I said crazy.
wowmattsays
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- Oct 4, 2016
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lol crazy is an understatement! the laws are so contradictory, they are ONLY in place to restrict us law-abiding citizens and make our lives more difficult. What is even funnier is if you purchase a stripped lower from an FFL, you are absolutely legally able to build it into a pistol! Once it is a pistol, it can "never be turned back into a rifle", and upon transfer from one private individual to another, must be done through an FFL or the MDSP. Unreal.
I thought it was the other way. A rifle can’t be turned into a pistol, but the other way around is ok.
wowmattsays
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- Oct 4, 2016
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So in addition to all the information previously posted in this thread, you are correct in your thinking. at the time the stripped lower is purchased from an FFL, you do fill out a 77r. it does not require an HQL because it is NOT a handgun. The 77r is filled out because it COULD be a handgun if the owner chose to make it into one. If you are reeling in the absurdity and convolution, then join the club! That is the POINT of the maryland firearm laws. haha!
wowmattsays
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- Oct 4, 2016
- 86
Totally right, that sounds correct. This is where i say i really am not a lawyer, so from my understanding youre correct, but....this is where consultation with MSI or the NRA or a personal lawyer would be a good bet.
A lower is just that...neither a rifle OR pistol. But since it can be built into a pistol it requires HQL and 7-day wait. If you decide to complete as a rifle it can never go back. Legally!
wowmattsays
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- Oct 4, 2016
- 86
Sorry partner, ONE quick correction here, while it does require the 7-day wait and 77r, you do NOT need an HQL. I actually did this myself through an FFL last year, and it was before I had obtained my HQL. Other than that, correct!
Guess the dealer I got my Spikes snowflake lower just wanted to see my retired military ID card when I filled out the paperwork. Next time I’ll correct him. That’s the problem with this state...very few of those that are suppose to know the rules do and others interpret them their own ways. Thanks.
so...if you buy a COMPLETE LOWER, via a 77R, and listed as "OTHER", and take it home, pin on a MARYLAND COMPLIANT HBAR complete upper, it becomes a complete RIFLE...
Is that RIFLE legally sold FTF, or requiring an FFL?
Is that RIFLE legally sold FTF, or requiring an FFL?
This is starting to sound like the “Hbar Jeopardy” game. I’ll take lowers for $1,000 Alex.
Once it is an rifle first it is always a rifle. So ftf would technically be legal, but I hear court is expensive.
Not if I committed an actual crime during the sale though.
The gun charges are the 1st ones dropped, then Nolle Prosequi (sp?) on the rest...
Ooops, I forgot...that's only valid if you're a habitual criminal, with numerous felony charges, and numerous firearm violations...not valid for a law abiding, no record having, working man...dammit, I'm out.
Not if I committed an actual crime during the sale though.
The gun charges are the 1st ones dropped, then Nolle Prosequi (sp?) on the rest...
Ooops, I forgot...that's only valid if you're a habitual criminal, with numerous felony charges, and numerous firearm violations...not valid for a law abiding, no record having, working man...dammit, I'm out.
Now your thinking like a Baltimoreian
Sorry. Having grown up in the great city, I have to correct you.
The proper term is “Baltimoron”.
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