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Old October 11th, 2018, 09:45 PM #1
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AR lower "pistol"

I know this has been covered somewhere. Sorry for the duplicate information but I couldn't find what I was looking for.

Questions and scenarios:

1. I buy a AR-15 lower and put a SBR brace on it. Then put a 10.5" inch upper on it. It is now a legal or illegal pistol? If legal do I have to register it with MSP?

2. If the lower is fully assembled like this (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod108056.aspx) then is it considered a "rifle" so any upper that isn't a 16" HBAR would be illegal? Putting a 10.5" inch upper on it would make it an illegal SBR even if I put the pistol brace on it?

According to "Twang and Bang" YouTube channel, once the lower starts out as a rifle it cannot become a pistol. However, once the lower starts out as a pistol it can become a rifle or pistol. Question is what makes the determination that it is a rifle? The stock or the upper? If I buy this from Brownells will I go through the pistol waiting period with Maryland or the usual long gun 4473 check? I imagine this will make the determination for me and since it has a rifle stock on it it isn't going to be a pistol.

3. If I can find a complete lower with a pistol brace like this (https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...516446451.html) will that trigger the MD handgun waiting period?



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From everything I've read pistol -> rifle ok, rifle -> pistol not ok. So if this is marketed as a rifle and has a stock it cannot go to a pistol. As for how lowers are treated by MD, 7 day waiting period just like handguns regardless of setup. The 77r has a checkbox just for lower receivers; I have two lowers that should come off the 77r wait tomorrow.

Edit: You can go pistol -> rifle and then back from what I have read. If you build it as a pistol with a brace and a 10.5" upper it's legally a pistol and MD, you do not need to register it with MDSP as the lower will already in their system from the 77r since it's the firearm. You could then put a 16" upper on it and a stock to make it a rifle and it doesn't effect anything or require any notification.
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Buy a stripped lower and transfer it as "other". This exempts you from needing a HQL because it's a receiver. you do the 77r, and pick it up in a week. You can then build it into a pistol.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...165448818.html
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Buy a stripped lower and transfer it as "other". This exempts you from needing a HQL because it's a receiver. You can then build it into a pistol.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-...165448818.html
I thought about that, but to do it right I would need to take a class like Clandestine offers and that is out of my price range.


So any lower triggers 77r no matter the configuration?
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I have two lowers that should come off the 77r wait tomorrow.
Complete lowers or stripped?
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I thought about that, but to do it right I would need to take a class like Clandestine offers and that is out of my price range.


So any lower triggers 77r no matter the configuration?
If you want an AR pistol

buy it as a pistol- There are plenty of choices now of manufacturers that make factory AR pistols. The springfield saint comes to mind. You buy them the same way you buy any other pistol.

Build it from a stripped lower- Do the 77r, but you don't need a hql. Build it as a pistol first, and then you can forever switch back and forth between pistol and rifle.

Make one yourself from an 80% lower- no 77r, and really not even that technically difficult anymore.
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If you want an AR pistol

buy it as a pistol- There are plenty of choices now of manufacturers that make factory AR pistols. The springfield saint comes to mind. You buy them the same way you buy any other pistol.

Build it from a stripped lower- Do the 77r, but you don't need a hql. Build it as a pistol first, and then you can forever switch back and forth between pistol and rifle.

Make one yourself from an 80% lower- no 77r, and really not even that technically difficult anymore.
Right but a "complete lower" would not trigger a 77r because of the stock? I would have to get a "complete pistol lower?"

I think I'm making this more complicated than it is.
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That is a complete AR-15 lower with a stock. It is not a rifle. You can pull the stock off and put a pistol upper on it, as long as you do not put a rifle upper on it first.

It does not matter what the 77R says. Rifle, pistol or other. It is what it is and that is "other".

If it was a rifle, it would have to have an heavy barrel or you could not purchase it in MD. Also, a MD legal rifle requires no 77R, or is cash and carry.
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That is a complete AR-15 lower with a stock. It is not a rifle. You can pull the stock off and put a pistol upper on it, as long as you do not put a rifle upper on it first.

It does not matter what the 77R says. Rifle, pistol or other. It is what it is and that is "other".
Ok, thanks.

To clarify, if I'm going to get (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod108056.aspx) I have to go through the waiting period and have an HQL?
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https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=209213

I think that is correct based on this thread but still seems muddled. I just want to make sure the FFL makes me wait and I have to produce my HQL. Then my bases are covered.
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