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Old October 12th, 2018, 12:09 AM #21
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That is a complete AR-15 lower with a stock. It is not a rifle. You can pull the stock off and put a pistol upper on it, as long as you do not put a rifle upper on it first.

It does not matter what the 77R says. Rifle, pistol or other. It is what it is and that is "other".

If it was a rifle, it would have to have an heavy barrel or you could not purchase it in MD. Also, a MD legal rifle requires no 77R, or is cash and carry.
This is the correct answer to all of this. An AR lower is not a pistol, and is not a rifle until it either has a) a rifled barrel AND a stock on at the same time, in which case it is a rifle, or b) a rifled barrel and is designed to be fired by one hand (i.e. has no stock) in which case it is a pistol.

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I think I'm confusing everyone. I'll post this again.

If I buy this (https://www.brownells.com/rifle-part...rod108056.aspx) will I have to go through the waiting period and have an HQL to get it?

If no, then if I put a pistol brace on it does it become an illegal pistol?
You would have to do a 77R and waiting period because MSP is breaking the law, but you are not required to do an HQL.

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Thanks. Sorry I made it so complicated.
You're not - it's an unnecessarily complex area of law thanks to our stupid state.

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That leads to the next question:

So I take off the stock and put on the pistol brace. Good to go... Then I use it in a home defense situation or a cop questions me at a range or some other slim possibility that I have to prove it is legal.

How do you prove it was never a rifle first so it's legal?
You don't, but that's because the burden of proof is on the state to prove it was a rifle first, and they can't.
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Old October 12th, 2018, 12:14 AM #22
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I don't know what is an " SBR Brace " . Perhaps you meant an ARM Brace, such as is semi- commonly used on pistols ?

A VIRGIN Lower Reciever is just a lower reciever, even if it has a shoulder thing that goes up attatched , unless and until it also has a barrel attatched at same time .


Yes you may purchase the linked lower reciever assy . Yes, you will wait 7 days, and a 77R will be involved . No, HQL is not required .

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Above is 100% fact . I will continue with Biggfoot's recomended * Wise * practices , It can be debated that certain grey areas can be more deeply danced into , but this will be * wise * approach .

Once you pickup your virgin reciever assy with shoulder thing , imeadately remove said shoulder thing .

It would be wise to already have your pistol buffer tube on hand , along with necessary tools, or lined up a friend with the tools .

If you don't have another AR platform Rifle , do not retain the shoulder thing . A good gift or Karma if comes to that.

If you don't already have an AR pattern pistol, or actual Machine Gun , do not aquire your 16in> barrel until the Virgin Lower is wearing it's pistol buffer tube .


( Yes , I know most of the contrary arguments , I'm giving conservative advice to avoid any potential issues .)
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Since when did an AR pistol fall under NFA?
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Why are you spending $575 on a lower, plus transfer fee, plus $10 MSP Fee, and then spend another $120 on a brace?
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OP didn't ask if that was his best/ cost effective option , just if it were legal .
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[QUOTE=Biggfoot44;5355455]I don't know what is an " SBR Brace " . Perhaps you meant an ARM Brace, such as is semi- commonly used on pistols?QUOTE]

Yes, thank you.
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Why are you spending $575 on a lower, plus transfer fee, plus $10 MSP Fee, and then spend another $120 on a brace?
I was just googling LWRCI lowers because it's the one rifle I do have. I quickly realized they are priced way higher than most. However, I am concerned of the tolerances of trying to match uppers and lowers and don't want to go too cheap. One of these days I need to take your class to learn how to do all this properly.
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Old October 12th, 2018, 08:29 AM #28
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You're not - it's an unnecessarily complex area of law thanks to our stupid state.
I appreciate you clearing it up for me. I know this has been covered, on here, but I was still was foggy on it.
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Old October 17th, 2018, 12:54 PM #29
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Any are lower you buy in md (with a serial number) will have to go thru the same waiting period as a handgun. I have bought both complete and stripped flowers and installed them with short barrels and use the sb3 tactical braces. I don't swap out my ar lowers with the rifle uppers it came from.
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I purchased a complete AR 15 lower from an IP here cash & carry with no 77r, just the 4473 form. Can you not just purchase a complete pistol lower and mate it with a complete upper or build the upper yourself?
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