Why No Berdan Primers Available?

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  • TreadNot

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    May 11, 2012
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    Bel Air
    Wolf berdan primers dried up after an import ban against Russia, if I remember correctly, but there are other berdan primer manufacturers in other countries. I know it's a niche market here in the U.S., but it seems that someone could make a decent enough profit importing and selling them.
     

    SKIP

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    Mar 5, 2009
    3,248
    Glenwood/Glenelg
    PPU has produced many boxer primed cases that may relate for the reduced demand for berdan primers. Besides berdan primers come in many sizes where as boxer comes in two. Large and small primers.

    MilSUP below is usually berdan primer but PPU has produced brass that is boxer primed.

    7.62X54R 7.5 Argentine
    8MM Mauser 8MM Kruz
    303 Brit 7.62X39
    7MM 7.5 French
    6.5 Swede 8MM Lebel
    6.5 Carcano
     

    TreadNot

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    May 11, 2012
    273
    Bel Air
    It's painful to toss brass cases because they're berdan primed, so I've been holding on to any just in case some berdan primers become available again at decent prices.
    Besides other rounds, I've saved GP11 7.5 Swiss berdan brass hoping I'll be able to reload it some day. The PPU 7.5 Swiss brass at Grafs & Sons is sixty cents a pop, so I think I'll stick with buying the Swiss surplus rounds as they come on the market. Excellent ammo, and I still have enough to get me by for awhile.
     
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    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
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    Pierce the primer and pry it out. There are some special tools that do it if you have a large quantity to do. Another option is fill the case with water and use a closely fitted piston to force them out with hydraulic pressure.
     

    SKIP

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    SKIP

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    A friend gave me 5K of Berdan primers. Fortunately, they were perfect to reload Chinese steel cases. This was at a time Boxer brass was unavailable.

    Drill to just pierce the primer.
    Using an ice pick pry off.
    Primer removed.
    Pics out of sequence.
     

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    Sundazes

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    Wow, what a pain. But you do what you gotta do. When I was reloading years ago, I never thought you could not reload them. Good for future knowledge. Thanks folks.
     

    Art3

    Eqinsu Ocha
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    Jan 30, 2015
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    Harford County
    I think I saw a box of Wolf Berdan primers at the reloading vendor towards the back of the left side of the Gettysburg show today. I only got a quick glimpse before getting distracted by something else :o...but I'm pretty sure it said Berdan. :shrug:
     

    ras_oscar

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    Apr 23, 2014
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    so, there is no on press method of removing berdan primers?

    Is there any functional advantage of Berdan over boxer primers, or is it like so many other products, they are different so as not to be compatible with a competing product? Like VHS VS beta max.
     

    Pinecone

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    Feb 4, 2013
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    Boxer-primed ammunition is slightly more complex to manufacture, since the primer is in two parts in addition to the pressure-sensitive compound, but automated machinery producing primers by the hundreds of millions has eliminated that as a practical problem. And while the primer is one step more complex to make, the cartridge case is simpler to make, use, and reload.

    I just find it funny, that an American developed the Berdan primer, and an Englishman the Boxer primer. But the US adopted the Boxer primer, and Europe the Berdan primer.
     

    jcutonilli

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    Mar 28, 2013
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    so, there is no on press method of removing berdan primers?

    Is there any functional advantage of Berdan over boxer primers, or is it like so many other products, they are different so as not to be compatible with a competing product? Like VHS VS beta max.

    It depends. Berdan primers have the anvil on the brass while boxer primers have the anvil in the primer. This allows a centrally located flash hole on the boxer brass, while the Berdan primed cases have two flash holes on either side of the centrally located anvil. Typical presses use a pin to punch out boxer primers, but this does not work with Berdan primers due to the anvil on the brass.

    You can use the hydraulic method to press out Berdan primers on a press.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQNDgjcgofY shows an example of this. This would not work in a progressive press.
     

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