Zastava PAP AK-47

aquaman · Sep 14, 2011

faze said:
Only good quality when new? When do they start to take a crap?

Call me stupid, but how's the front trunnion prevent double stack conversion?

They go to crap after going through a couple civil wars, yours is new and should last forever as long as you clean it and oil it. I assume he was talking about the yugos built on parts kits from the wars

faze · Sep 14, 2011

aquaman said:
They go to crap after going through a couple civil wars, yours is new and should last forever as long as you clean it and oil it. I assume he was talking about the yugos built on parts kits from the wars

Ah okay. I thought AK's are rugged enough to handle most stuff? I'm not dropping it in sand and water... :lol2:

faze · Sep 14, 2011

So regarding oiling this thing, I presume I do it this way?

1. Remove dust cover.
2. Take out spring, and oil it.
3. Take out gas tube and oil the OUTSIDE of it.
4. Oil the hammer and the rest of the inside moving parts.

Oil with paper towel and gun oil?

aquaman · Sep 14, 2011

faze said:
So regarding oiling this thing, I presume I do it this way?

1. Remove dust cover.
2. Take out spring, and oil it.
3. Take out gas tube and oil the OUTSIDE of it.
4. Oil the hammer and the rest of the inside moving parts.

Oil with paper towel and gun oil?

I use grease for the rail where the bolt rides and oil everything else. If you get any corrosive ammo spray Windex down the bore and bolt face, dry or use wd40 to remove moisture after that, then use cleaner/lube and remember to clean the gas tube. And another thing, don't listen to people who say "you don't need to clean an AK" thats just laziness

leroygibbs · Sep 14, 2011

faze said:
Only good quality when new? When do they start to take a crap?

Call me stupid, but how's the front trunnion prevent double stack conversion?

No, not stupid, but some of the Zastava new AKs have a narrower space between the front trunion so they can only accomodate the narrower magazine. Remember, the front tab on the AK mag fits in the ledge, gap, whatever of the front trunnion.

faze · Sep 14, 2011

aquaman said:
I use grease for the rail where the bolt rides and oil everything else. If you get any corrosive ammo spray Windex down the bore and bolt face, dry or use wd40 to remove moisture after that, then use cleaner/lube and remember to clean the gas tube. And another thing, don't listen to people who say "you don't need to clean an AK" thats just laziness

Well I have Hoppe's 9 gun oil. Greasing up everything with that should do it, and running a patch down the barrel after shooting to top it off?

Jaybeez · Sep 15, 2011

faze said:
Only good quality when new? When do they start to take a crap?

Call me stupid, but how's the front trunnion prevent double stack conversion?

As pointed out, many of the Yugos here in the US are made from used parts and used or us made barrels. Many were built here in the US with very worn barrels. Yours is factory direct, brand spanking new, it probably still has that new gun smell.

The yugo pap trunnion is too narrow inside to fit a double stack mag, even after opening just the magwell. Its something that needs to be done on a mill. It also may need to be milled on the top or have a bullet guide installed, to feed rounds from left and right instead of from the center. Your PAP bolt is narrow enough to fit between the feed lips of a single stack mag, double stack bolts are wider to feed from the sides, replacing the bolt can be tricky, and more expensive if there are headspace issues. I'm not sure if its necessary though.

Double stack conversions on romanian guns only involve milling open the magwell sheet metal, and adding US made parts. I'm posting this more as a reference to other posters here that were wondering about it, not to discourage you.

Its doable, but i'm not sure its $140 doable, unless you are a machinist yourself, or really good at building ak rifles.

faze · Sep 15, 2011

Jaybeez said:
As pointed out, many of the Yugos here in the US are made from used parts and used or us made barrels. Many were built here in the US with very worn barrels. Yours is factory direct, brand spanking new, it probably still has that new gun smell.

The yugo pap trunnion is too narrow inside to fit a double stack mag, even after opening just the magwell. Its something that needs to be done on a mill. It also may need to be milled on the top or have a bullet guide installed, to feed rounds from left and right instead of from the center. Your PAP bolt is narrow enough to fit between the feed lips of a single stack mag, double stack bolts are wider to feed from the sides, replacing the bolt can be tricky, and more expensive if there are headspace issues. I'm not sure if its necessary though.

Double stack conversions on romanian guns only involve milling open the magwell sheet metal, and adding US made parts. I'm posting this more as a reference to other posters here that were wondering about it, not to discourage you.

Its doable, but i'm not sure its $140 doable, unless you are a machinist yourself, or really good at building ak rifles.

Yeah I know this one's brand new. The ticket in the box (written in Serbian) says it was manufactured 6/28/11.

Regarding widening the mag well cost, just repeating what I heard... But I guess if I hear signs of an economic collapse I'll buy a WASR.

faze · Sep 15, 2011

So can I get a muzzle break for this thing? Or are addons limited because this isn't a standard AK build?

Scott7891 · Sep 16, 2011

faze said:
So can I get a muzzle break for this thing? Or are addons limited because this isn't a standard AK build?

The only thing you could do really is weld on a 1x28 LH brake like a lot of people do with post-ban AK's to make them look more authentic. The barrel is too thin and narrow to do a proper thread job.

faze · Sep 16, 2011

Scott7891 said:
The only thing you could do really is weld on a 1x28 LH brake like a lot of people do with post-ban AK's to make them look more authentic. The barrel is too thin and narrow to do a proper thread job.

Yeah...kinda had a feeling. Anything else I can do to this thing? Tactical foregrip??????

fivepointstar · Sep 16, 2011

I'd leave it just as is otherwise you get into 922r issues and you'll have to convert a number of other parts. I'd leave it as a true import :thumbsup:

fivepointstar · Sep 16, 2011

Stop calling it a "thing"

the AK is one of the finest battle weapons made in its time and over 100M of them made, its deserves its rightful respect in firearms history :thumbsup:

Hi Point is a "thing" but certainly not an AK

faze · Sep 16, 2011

fivepointstar said:
I'd leave it just as is otherwise you get into 922r issues and you'll have to convert a number of other parts. I'd leave it as a true import

922r has influence on converting to double stack and tactical foregrips? Double stack AK's are legal...

faze · Sep 16, 2011

fivepointstar said:
Stop calling it a "thing"

the AK is one of the finest battle weapons made in its time and over 100M of them made, its deserves its rightful respect in firearms history

Hi Point is a "thing" but certainly not an AK

No need to be a grammar Nazi.

fivepointstar · Sep 16, 2011

faze said:
Double stack AK's are legal...

I'm aware of that....i have a boat load of doublestack AK mags.

faze · Sep 16, 2011

fivepointstar said:
I'm aware of that....i have a boat load of doublestack AK mags.

So, call me naive, but how am I running into 922r issues then?

erwos · Sep 16, 2011

faze said:
So, call me naive, but how am I running into 922r issues then?

Your gun currently has zero evil features as defined by 922r - no PG, no threaded muzzle, no ability to take "high-cap" mags, etc. When you start modifying that bad boy for double stack magazines, you are getting into 922r territory.

faze · Sep 16, 2011

erwos said:
Your gun currently has zero evil features as defined by 922r - no PG, no threaded muzzle, no ability to take "high-cap" mags, etc. When you start modifying that bad boy for double stack magazines, you are getting into 922r territory.

Lol evil features. :lol2:

Well, how would one mount a vertical foregrip on this thing? I'm looking on ak47accessories.com and I don't know what to get.

fivepointstar · Sep 16, 2011

erwos said:
Your gun currently has zero evil features as defined by 922r - no PG, no threaded muzzle, no ability to take "high-cap" mags, etc. When you start modifying that bad boy for double stack magazines, you are getting into 922r territory.

+1
its a true import.....all the parts are Zastava. You can't just change one or 2 parts. once you start making one mod you'll have to do 922r conversion and turn your rifle into a mutt. but that you're choice to make.

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