Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

Schipperke · Jul 31, 2017

adit said:
Fox News caught the end of Paul Ryan's weekly news conference and national reciprocity came up as the last question.

He said that there should be no special treatment for members of Congress in regards to reciprocity. Everyone should be treated the same.

He also said he didn't know where his colleagues stood on reciprocity. ???? Huh?

He said he supports it.

Too bad he does not feel that way about the ACA. He should have been Priebus'd a year ago

Fox123 · Aug 1, 2017

press1280 said:
At some point the NRA will start asking questions. They can't simply be an organization only successful in blocking anti-gun legislation; they need to go on offense and pass something.

NRA only wants to fight.

Not win.

If they win then the money from the members dries up and goes away. They only want to fight enough to fool the members into donating.

DC-W · Aug 1, 2017

Fox123 said:
NRA only wants to fight.

Not win.

If they win then the money from the members dries up and goes away. They only want to fight enough to fool the members into donating.

Respectfully, this is nonsense.

NRA has funded many a lawsuit and has invested millions into legislative battles; MD included.

NRA does a ton for what it is, but even the NRA can only do so much to convince allegedly pro-gun and pro-2A legislators to do the right thing.

jbrown50 · Aug 1, 2017

Fox123 said:
NRA only wants to fight.

Not win.

If they win then the money from the members dries up and goes away. They only want to fight enough to fool the members into donating.

It's not the NRA's fault that the Republican Congress is getting mixed signals from it's constituency regarding the importance of passing pro 2A legislation. The statists among their constituency are the ones creating the problem.

rambling_one · Aug 1, 2017

DC-W said:
Respectfully, this is nonsense.

NRA has funded many a lawsuit and has invested millions into legislative battles; MD included.

NRA does a ton for what it is, but even the NRA can only do so much to convince allegedly pro-gun and pro-2A legislators to do the right thing.

Tomcat · Aug 2, 2017

From Fox news, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/concealed-handgun-carry-bill-triggers-pushback-from-coastal-mayors-police-chiefs.html

GlocksAndPatriots · Aug 2, 2017

hitwtom said:
From Fox news, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/concealed-handgun-carry-bill-triggers-pushback-from-coastal-mayors-police-chiefs.html

One thing to keep in mind when you hear quotes from "Police Chiefs Associations," the ABA, AMA, APA, or similar groups for Mayors, is that these organizations are almost all far left, even if the membership is not. The fact that big city police chiefs (appointed by Democrat Party mayors) oppose gun rights laws means very little. Start asking elected sheriffs what they think, and you'll see very different answers.

Bigfoot21075 · Aug 2, 2017

hitwtom said:
From Fox news, http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/08/02/concealed-handgun-carry-bill-triggers-pushback-from-coastal-mayors-police-chiefs.html

Actually it still paints the proposed law in a positive light, it also paints the mayors in a poor light when viewed beside the facts.

Bob A · Aug 2, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
One thing to keep in mind when you hear quotes from "Police Chiefs Associations," the ABA, AMA, APA, or similar groups for Mayors, is that these organizations are almost all far left, even if the membership is not. The fact that big city police chiefs (appointed by Democrat Party mayors) oppose gun rights laws means very little. Start asking elected sheriffs what they think, and you'll see very different answers.

Yes, this ^^^.

Remember the stage full of Maryland sheriffs during the 2013 Gun Bill Day? Mayors and police brass are all armed or have security details. Street cops have a different perspective on the matter, for the most part, even though it might put them at increased risk.

Bigfoot21075 · Aug 2, 2017

Bob A said:
Yes, this ^^^.

Remember the stage full of Maryland sheriffs during the 2013 Gun Bill Day? Mayors and police brass are all armed or have security details. Street cops have a different perspective on the matter, for the most part, even though it might put them at increased risk.

HOW does it put them at increased risk?

GlocksAndPatriots · Aug 2, 2017

Bob A said:
Yes, this ^^^.

Remember the stage full of Maryland sheriffs during the 2013 Gun Bill Day? Mayors and police brass are all armed or have security details. Street cops have a different perspective on the matter, for the most part, even though it might put them at increased risk.

I think it's also a difference in mentality. In big cities, the police see it as "us versus them." In smaller communities, especially rural ones with elected sheriffs, the police see themselves as PART of the community. They belong to the same churches, eat at the same restaurants, their kids play baseball with our kids, and so on. Every ordinary citizen is not a threat.

GlocksAndPatriots · Aug 2, 2017

Bigfoot21075 said:
HOW does it put them at increased risk?

My guess is because in places like NYC and DC, the police can now automatically KNOW that a person carrying is a criminal. They won't know that (without doing a warrant search) if law abiding people can carry.

Bigfoot21075 · Aug 2, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
My guess is because in places like NYC and DC, the police can now automatically KNOW that a person carrying is a criminal. They won't know that (without doing a warrant search) if law abiding people can carry.

THANKS had not considered that.

GlocksAndPatriots · Aug 2, 2017

Bigfoot21075 said:
THANKS had not considered that.

Yup, it's not an increased risk from law abiding people, which might be how you read his post.

Mack C-85 · Aug 2, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
I think it's also a difference in mentality. In big cities, the police see it as "us versus them." In smaller communities, especially rural ones with elected sheriffs, the police see themselves as PART of the community. They belong to the same churches, eat at the same restaurants, their kids play baseball with our kids, and so on. Every ordinary citizen is not a threat.

Also, in the big cities backup is usually close and plentiful. In the sticks, you are more likely to be backed up by a citizen or two, rather than the other guy working that's all the way on the other side of the county.

GlocksAndPatriots · Aug 2, 2017

Mack C-85 said:
Also, in the big cities backup is usually close and plentiful. In the sticks, you are more likely to be backed up by a citizen or two, rather than the other guy working that's all the way on the other side of the county.

Another good point.

swinokur · Aug 2, 2017

Another big city LE argument is with people in civilian clothes carrying, it will make it harder to identify who's who. But training can fix most of that IMO.

Doesn't seem like a problem in shall issue states though.

In Chicago, I assume they would think everyone is armed

jbrown50 · Aug 2, 2017

swinokur said:
Another big city LE argument is with people in civilian clothes carrying, it will make it harder to identify who's who. But training can fix most of that IMO.

Doesn't seem like a problem in shall issue states though.

In Chicago, I assume they would think everyone is armed

Wasn't it Ex DC Police Chief Lanier who made the point that DC is full of plain clothes LE carrying guns, so no big issue here.

Here it is:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...f2f110c6265_story.html?utm_term=.0b63ddec8486

Delroy Burton, head of the D.C. police union, said this week that if civilians are allowed to carry guns, “the mind-set of officers has to change for how we have to deal with that.” But Lanier said Wednesday that is “not a big shift.”

“We deal with concealed carry every single day in this city, I don’t care what anybody tells you,” she said, citing the large number of plainclothes local and federal law enforcement officers. “Legal guns, legally carried, there’s hundreds of them out there in this city every single day. . . . That’s not a big training gap for us.”

swinokur · Aug 2, 2017

probably was but it won't stop the Rahm Emanuels and Bill Deblasios of the US to try and make the bogus point anyway.

Heck I bet every street cop in Chicago assumes everyone is armed until proven otherwise.

Another lame attempt and preventing lawful citizens from carrying.

Inigoes · Aug 2, 2017

HR 38 is still languishing in the "House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, Homeland Security, and Investigations"

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/38/committees?q={"search":["HR+38"]}&r=1

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