Delegate Dumais working on bill to ban 80% firearms

Fox123 · Jan 2, 2019

Pinecone said:
As I have stated before.

Serial number 1

then Serial Number 1

Then Serial Number 1

They don't say they have to be unique.

ATF does say that manufacturers/importers cannot repeat serial numbers.

I bet they are going to copy California and say that the state will be issuing you the serial number.

erwos · Jan 2, 2019

Fox123 said:
I bet they are going to copy California and say that the state will be issuing you the serial number.

That is also what I think is gonna happen. I would further suspect it will be linked to your HQL so they have an easy way to cross-reference, and prevent people from building out guns without getting the license first.

Depending on how the bill is worded, it might be more sensible to self-serialize so as to avoid hassles with whatever system comes into place.

sinensis · Jan 2, 2019

I really hope this is the "worst" case....

KIBarrister · Jan 2, 2019

One bill has already been dropped in the Senate, but nothing on 80s, just "3D printing" (unless you use a CNC mill for your 80, in which case, you are banned):

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/sb/sb0008f.pdf

You can keep up on what is filed ( http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frm1st.aspx?tab=home ) link in the middle section....

Malleovic · Jan 2, 2019

Dave MP said:
Did you try looking?
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=230444

I struggled with the search function for a bit before giving up.

Apologies for the repost.

Rab1515 · Jan 2, 2019

KIBarrister said:
One bill has already been dropped in the Senate, but nothing on 80s, just "3D printing" (unless you use a CNC mill for your 80, in which case, you are banned):

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/sb/sb0008f.pdf

You can keep up on what is filed ( http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frm1st.aspx?tab=home ) link in the middle section....

Or your brain. look up the definition of computer cited.

SigMatt · Jan 2, 2019

KIBarrister said:
One bill has already been dropped in the Senate, but nothing on 80s, just "3D printing" (unless you use a CNC mill for your 80, in which case, you are banned):

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2019RS/bills/sb/sb0008f.pdf

You can keep up on what is filed ( http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frm1st.aspx?tab=home ) link in the middle section....

Forget the 2nd Amendment, this is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. Hammer it on those grounds and it is the same basis the Seattle ban is being challenged.

Matt

lemmdus · Jan 2, 2019

hillbilly grandpa said:
Our position should be very focused and clear: To the various occupants of seats in Annapolis: The battle line is not between Democrats and Republicans. It is between law abiding citizens and criminals. Put consideration of additional restrictions on the freedoms of law abiding citizens on hold. Instead, craft legislation and enforcement mechanism that will address the actions/behavior of criminals that engage in the wide variety of violent crimes against law abiding citizens. Establish criteria for assessing effectiveness. Your job is to take action to provide for the safety of Maryland's law abiding citizens. DO YOUR JOB.

I agree 100%. I also think we need 3 things right now. 1) I would register as a Democrat and voting in the primaries when they come around again. Even though many Democrats are anti-gun, the incumbents some just squeak into the general election. When they lose the primary tell them it was their gun control policy why you didn't vote for them. 2) Support legal action against these laws. It might take awhile but we must be in for the long game. 3) Take your kids, nephews, nieces, grandkids shooting. It doesn't matter if they turn into hunters. Make a day of it, McDonalds for lunch and ice cream or other snack after. Bring the .22, set metal spinners, they'll love it and at the same time learn that shooting is fun and not the boogy man the ledt wants them to think it is.

pcfixer · Jan 2, 2019

https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/26/liberals-hate-trump/

It is not a contest between the Democrat and Republican ideologies driving the inanity emanating from Washington, D.C., but a battle between the entrenched power of the bipartisan political establishment versus the freedom and well-being of the American people.
It is a conflict between those who want to adhere to the Constitution and the rule of law and “they,” who wish to continue the practices of political expediency, crony capitalism and a two-tiered system of justice.
It is a choice between a government of the people, by the people and for the people or “elective despotism” when lies, corruption and tyranny are embraced by the political-media establishment.
The election of Donald Trump was not the consequence of colluding Russians tapping on keyboards in darkened basements, but one of hope based on a single proposition, the possibility of honest, representative and effective government.
Three years before the start of the American Civil War, Abraham Lincoln said a government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free — that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
Likewise, a government separated from the people cannot stand.
And “they” need to understand that.
Lawrence Sellin, Ph.D., is a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel,

government longstanding interest in public safety, To Wit We The People and those on here must defend the view the government does not protect us with government safety. That line must be defeated.

KIBarrister · Jan 2, 2019

mpickering said:
Forget the 2nd Amendment, this is a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment. Hammer it on those grounds and it is the same basis the Seattle ban is being challenged.

Matt

"In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary, come again?"

I know 7-302 includes a reference to "Organic," but I think that is a logical extreme among logical extremes...

Doctor_M · Jan 2, 2019

I think the move towards non-compliance is a thing if beauty. Stay strong, stay vigilant, and stay independent my brothers and sisters.

clint west · Jan 2, 2019

So will stamp a " 1" on the first build I do from an 80% lower. Serial number = ok. No serial number = dangerous! , carnage!.

Desert84eagle · Jan 2, 2019

I've heard this before but it does not address the problem that passage of these kinds of laws, de facto, creates criminals of those who don't comply.

randomuser · Jan 2, 2019

How many completed 80% guns do you guys think might be here in MD?

DutchV · Jan 2, 2019

randomuser said:
How many completed 80% guns do you guys think might be here in MD?

None, of course.

Occam · Jan 2, 2019

randomuser said:
How many completed 80% guns do you guys think might be here in MD?

You mean at the bottom of the Maryland part of the Chesapeake, right?

Not_an_outlaw · Jan 2, 2019

I know of many people that can be 4-605'ed for hobby materials in their basement.

DaemonAssassin · Jan 2, 2019

randomuser said:
How many completed 80% guns do you guys think might be here in MD?

Depends on if you are talking about the ones that were lost in tragic boating accidents in the bay or not. Then there were a lot of boating accidents in all the lakes and rivers around the state....

DaemonAssassin · Jan 2, 2019

Occam said:
You mean at the bottom of the Maryland part of the Chesapeake, right?

Those were generally washed down across the VA line, from all the rain we got last year.

rseymorejr · Jan 2, 2019

DaemonAssassin said:
Depends on if you are talking about the ones that were lost in tragic boating accidents in the bay or not. Then there were a lot of boating accidents in all the lakes and rivers around the state....

As much as it's rained this year they could be anywhere!

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