With what C&R rifle you often get caught violating with the ranges rules

SlowShooter · Jul 27, 2017

MilsurpDan said:
I went to Cresap once. I never wanted to go back after seeing their RO's in action. Most of the one's I saw seemed like wannabe Parris Island DI's breathing down the necks of people trying to shoot. Shame since it's close to my house, but I'm so glad I joined Thurmont instead.

I once accused for pointing my pistol too high. After I explained that I was shooting at the 25 yrds target, the man backed off. later we became friends. The last weekend I was there, another officer jumped on me for point the rifles in case to the guy next lane which I did not. I denied but gave no explanation because I did not care anymore.

bkuether · Jul 27, 2017

The only rifle I "could" get in trouble for, is my SKS.

At cease fire, I drop the mag, clearing the remaining rounds. I then pop the mag back in place, so I can lock the bolt back. I then drop the mag again, leaving it hanging down. Finally I put the empty chamber flag in.

Never have had any of the range officers say a thing. Because it is "reasonable".

The day AGC makes me "remove" my SKS magazine is the day I am done.

Rules have to be reasonable. I would expect similar rifles to have the same "common sense" expectations. If you can clearly show the mag is empty and not engaged in the rifle, and the bolt is locked back and chamber flag is in place, then that's "Safe".

bpm32 · Jul 27, 2017

SKIP said:
You broke no rules. Range rules can become absurd.

IS MY PYTHON SAFE?

I got called out for putting the ECI into the barrel during an NRA Distinguished Revolver match once. Apparently because it's called an empty CHAMBER indicator, it needs to go randomly into one of the chambers.

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

Erno86 said:
I make it a habit of dropping the magazine bottom floor plate of my Mosins when a ceasefire is called.

If you do that to the Mosins, you have to treat the K98s, the 1903s and the... the same. Please be fair to all and drop the floorplates.

SKIP · Jul 28, 2017

SlowShooter said:
If you do that to the Mosins, you have to treat the K98s, the 1903s and the... the same. Please be fair to all and drop the floorplates.

During a cease fire the RSO states remove all magazines.
You can not remove a fixed magazine as stated above.
If you want to drop the floor plates then it should be the shooters option but not a requirement.

K31 · Jul 28, 2017

It makes more sense safety-wise to make Garand shooters drop their trigger group assembly than to make Enfield users drop their mags. And in my experience it's easier to do.

That's not a suggestion about the Garand. Just a comparison.

S&W19 · Jul 28, 2017

Shazam said:
I have been told to do so once with my old Marlin 81.

+1 with my Marlin model 60.

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

If you can clearly show the mag is empty and not engaged in the rifle, and the bolt is locked back and chamber flag is in place, then that's "Safe".[/QUOTE]

I couldn't agree with you more. we all have to follow the rules to keep the range safety to the max. The Board of Trustees are carrying a heavy responsibility on their shoulders and we have to give them a hand or two. But..... logically If the chamber device is plugged in place, how one could set off around even if the mag is load. just a thought. there are no harm overdoing safety measures.

For the SKS, I modify the mag (not the original one) so I can install and remove it completely of the gun. To lock the bolt, pull it back with the right hand then use the left hand to push the locking pin up. Voila!

I enjoy doing this so I never have any issue with the Chinese SKS. I could speak too soon.

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

Shazam said:
I have been told to do so once with my old Marlin 81.

They could ask you to remove the springed loading rod. How hard that gonna be?

EKing · Jul 28, 2017

bkuether said:
The day AGC makes me "remove" my SKS magazine is the day I am done.

If the SKS has the stock fixed 10rd magazine, no need to remove or pop it open. If you have altered your SKS to accept the removeable magazine, remove it.

bpm32 said:
I got called out for putting the ECI into the barrel during an NRA Distinguished Revolver match once. Apparently because it's called an empty CHAMBER indicator, it needs to go randomly into one of the chambers.

That is AGC policy, one ECI in one chamber of the open cylinder.

SKIP said:
During a cease fire the RSO states remove all magazines.
You can not remove a fixed magazine as stated above.
If you want to drop the floor plates then it should be the shooters option but not a requirement.

SKIP is correct, no need to drop the floorplates. Some shooters do it and that's fine.

Bottom line, if your firearm accepts a detachable magazine, drop it. Not every RSO knows every firearm type and function. When I see something I don't recognize or something that doesn't look right, I'll ask the owner to educate me.

Melnic · Jul 28, 2017

SlowShooter said:
Every Range Officer interprets the rules the same....

Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this statement. Its pretty much an impossibility to begin with that "Any Judge or official" would interpret rules the same. That goes with Police officers, Judges, Lawyers, sporting officials. it just never holds true as a blanket statement. No offense to the range officers. Its just human nature.

I have been asked to drop the floorplate on a mosin once by what I thought to be a green RSO. I did so w/o complaint. I was asked to do the same on a Yugo M48. I could not pop it open. He said " let it be, just don't touch it".

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

Melnic said:
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this statement. Its pretty much an impossibility to begin with that "Any Judge or official" would interpret rules the same. That goes with Police officers, Judges, Lawyers, sporting officials. it just never holds true as a blanket statement. No offense to the range officers. Its just human nature.

I have been asked to drop the floorplate on a mosin once by what I thought to be a green RSO. I did so w/o complaint. I was asked to do the same on a Yugo M48. I could not pop it open. He said " let it be, just don't touch it".

My original message was: "Every Range Officer interprets the rules the same but each looks at our guns differently." What I really mean is, they learn the same ranges rules but put them on practice differently because the officers (and all of us) just have limited knowledge about gun's technologies and history. English is a difficult language to master and I apologize for my mistakes.

jjones88 · Jul 28, 2017

I don't think I've ever pulled the magazine on my Enfield or K31 at AGC?

I just pull the bolts and nothing has ever been said to me. Guess I'll add that to my list of things to be careful about

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

jjones88 said:
I don't think I've ever pulled the magazine on my Enfield or K31 at AGC?

I just pull the bolts and nothing has ever been said to me. Guess I'll add that to my list of things to be careful about

You must be a very attractive young woman / one of Don Corleone associates / a rich and powerful person who triple pays the range fee or all of the 3. May I ask how long have you been owning and shooting those guns? how often you visit the AGC Range? Thanks in advance.

Erno86 · Jul 28, 2017

I've seen a shooter start to handle his naked rifle during a ceasefire, because he forgot the line was still cold --- He was quickly warned by other shooters...an he proceeded to back-off quickly.

I overheard a former SRSO, who was talking to another shooter about detachable magazines --- He explained to him that the major reason why they have the detachable magazine rule at AGC, is the possibility of an unescorted by an adult juvenile, start to ogle a firearm on the firing line --- The kid walks over to the rifle...and he's so fascinated by it, meanwhile, totally oblivious to the ceasefire; AND IF THE MAGAZINE IS LOADED AN STILL FULLY INSERTED IN THE MAGWELL, racks the bolt to put a live round in the pipe and cracks one-off during a ceasefire.

FFBWMD · Jul 28, 2017

Was doing a demo at AGC one day with my M2 MaDuece, during a cease fire an RSO came by to check my gun which I showed was clear but he told me I had to put an ECI in the chamber. I politely told him there was no way in hell I'm sticking a plastic ECI in the HOT barrel of my. 50. He didn't seem pleased but went on his way. I'm not gonna mess up an 800.00 barrel when you can clearly see the gun was cleared.

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Piscator · Jul 28, 2017

Huh, I wonder if they'd call it on an FN49? They have mags but they aren't really removable or meant to be. Feed lips are in the receiver.

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SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

I overheard a former SRSO, who was talking to another shooter about detachable magazines --- He explained to him that the major reason why they have the detachable magazine rule at AGC, is the possibility of an unescorted by an adult juvenile, start to ogle a firearm on the firing line --- The kid walks over to the rifle...and he's so fascinated by it, meanwhile, totally oblivious to the ceasefire; AND IF THE MAGAZINE IS LOADED AN STILL FULLY INSERTED IN THE MAGWELL, racks the bolt to put a live round in the pipe and cracks one-off during a ceasefire.[/QUOTE]

In that case just ban kids at the shooting range and that will save us a lot of troubles.

SlowShooter · Jul 28, 2017

FFBWMD said:
Was doing a demo at AGC one day with my M2 MaDuece, during a cease fire an RSO came by to check my gun which I showed was clear but he told me I had to put an ECI in the chamber. I politely told him there was no way in hell I'm sticking a plastic ECI in the HOT barrel of my. 50. He didn't seem pleased but went on his way. I'm not gonna mess up an 800.00 barrel when you can clearly see the gun was cleared.

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Ah, I remember that event. I took picture of your MaDuece but left the premises before the firing demo. The RSO left you alone because... you are the one with the powerful M2. I bet he reported the incident but no one in higher authority followed up with any action. May be they concluded that your MaDuece is only showing up there every blue moon.

28Shooter · Jul 28, 2017

I've read all the comments and have heard the complaints expressed at club meetings and wonder how they came up with some of the rules as enforced by the RSOs. A bolt-back/open-action Lee Enfield, K31, et al., with an empty magazine and chamber flag in couldn't be much safer. The main issue is for the RSOs to keep a sharp eye that no one touches or handles a weapon during a ceasefire. Popping the magazines on those older military rifles causes undue and unnecessary wear as they were not really intended to be removed in the first place. Regarding double-action revolvers, tell me again why an ECI in the barrel is not the most effective way to indicate the gun is safe?

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