Does mag. size limits change your choice?

Mr.Blue · Mar 20, 2021

leomort said:
AliasNeo07, Hmm.....yes perhaps I should have phrase if there was a ban on possession of magazine larger ten rounds would change one's mind. Might have changed some answers.

I had to help my cousin out with this decision because he lives in CT. They can only possess 10 rd mags. He decided to keep a .45acp and a shotgun for home defense, but conceal carries a micro compact 9mm with 10 rounds.

If there was a small .45acp that could fit 10 rounds of .45acp, that’s what I would carry if there was the 10rd limit here. Currently, I have a 13+1 45acp in my nightstand, but carry a P365 with 12+1 of 9mm plus another 12 rounder.
Ultimately, if given the same amount of rounds, I’d want a .45.

Docster · Mar 20, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
I had to help my cousin out with this decision because he lives in CT. They can only possess 10 rd mags. He decided to keep a .45acp and a shotgun for home defense, but conceal carries a micro compact 9mm with 10 rounds.

If there was a small .45acp that could fit 10 rounds of .45acp, that’s what I would carry if there was the 10rd limit here. Currently, I have a 13+1 45acp in my nightstand, but carry a P365 with 12+1 of 9mm plus another 12 rounder.
Ultimately, if given the same amount of rounds, I’d want a .45.

The Glock 36:is a single stack .45 ACP. Holds 8+1 but with a mag add-on gets 2 more. Got it specifically for CC

Mr.Blue · Mar 20, 2021

Docster said:
The Glock 36:is a single stack .45 ACP. Holds 8+1 but with a mag add-on gets 2 more. Got it specifically for CC

Thanks. He doesn’t like the ergonomics of Glocks. I’m good with my P365 and 25 rounds of Gold Dot 9mm, but will look at the Glock when they inevitably limit us to carrying 10 rounds. I thought the G36 was 6+1.

Randomuser4321 · Mar 20, 2021

I live 30 minutes from PA so the MD laws are nothing but a stupid and pointless pain in my ass.

Crosseye Dominant · Mar 20, 2021

Unless hollow points are banned like in NJ, I just don't see the point of going out of your way to get a .45 if you can shoot 9 faster and tighter because of less recoil. If restricted to ball then yes a 230 grain 45 hardball probably better than 9.

Mr.Blue · Mar 20, 2021

Crosseye Dominant said:
Unless hollow points are banned like in NJ, I just don't see the point of going out of your way to get a .45 if you can shoot 9 faster and tighter because of less recoil.

I don’t find .45 recoil any harder than 9mm. In fact, it’s more pleasurable to me. It’s a push back, rather than a snap up with 9mm. I can shoot .45 just as accurately as 9mm, without much difference in time. Given the same brand of hollow points, the .45 still causes more damage than 9mm. That said, The gap isn’t as wide as it once was.

I’m a Speer Gold Dot guy and every test I’ve seen shows that the 230gr .45 expands more than their 9mm offerings. I don’t know how the +P+ 9mm performs relative to the .45, but the recoil with the +P+ Defeats the purpose. It also beats up your gun.

Biggfoot44 · Mar 21, 2021

In my personal calculus , the number of rounds in the gun as an abstract is well down the hierarchy of priorities . ( Disclaimers - So long as at least 5 , preferably 6 , and I habitually carry reload(s) ) . The fit of the gun , and how well I shoot it are much higher priorities .

My tastes run heavily to revolvers and single stacks . When I do use higher capacity , it is usually because of other attributes of the gun , and not specifically because of the capacity . As a bonus , single column extra magazines are easier and more comfortable to conceal/ disguise than double column .

In the land of hypotheticals , IF I was one of the handful of people authorized to carry in NJ , the Ammunition restrictions would indeed be a major influence .

IF I'm to be limited to non- expanding projectiles , by diggity I want BIG non expanding bullets . FMJ in .45acp , SWC in .44Spl and .45Colt .

smokey · Mar 21, 2021

leomort said:
Thanks for feedback guys. Yeah, Maryland has some weird loop holes where your legally able to own them, even go out of state and buy them and bring them back in. Think some politician purposely left that hole in that law as I can't imagine them being that stupid! I guess I could be wrong on them being stupid. Although the seem to be getting smarter and a lot bolder!

Unfortunately, I'm still learning of the gun shops in my area (Gaithersburg area) and not familiar with what gun shops are across the state lines.

It's not a loop hole to use magazines you possess when there's no law against it. Even if there was a law banning possession, Americans should not comply with that law. Rights only exist if you exercise them, whether legal to or not.

Are politicians that stupid? Yes and no. Generally the people promoting more 2a infringements have very little technical knowledge about guns. However, them not going after possession of mags was a political move to ensure the ban went through with less resistance. They're fine banning everything, but grandfathering in possession because they can then just wait and let them phase out, or come back later for possession in another bill.

leomort · Mar 21, 2021

smokey0118 said:
It's not a loop hole to use magazines you possess when there's no law against it. Even if there was a law banning possession, Americans should not comply with that law. Rights only exist if you exercise them, whether legal to or not.

Are politicians that stupid? Yes and no. Generally the people promoting more 2a infringements have very little technical knowledge about guns. However, them not going after possession of mags was a political move to ensure the ban went through with less resistance. They're fine banning everything, but grandfathering in possession because they can then just wait and let them phase out, or come back later for possession in another bill.

smokey0118, Good point and something I did not think of but yes, you're probably correct that the "loop hole" regarding magazines was purposely left there to allow the bill to pass more easily. I'm sure the politician figured they can always come back for them with a later bill.

leomort · Mar 21, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
I don’t find .45 recoil any harder than 9mm. In fact, it’s more pleasurable to me. It’s a push back, rather than a snap up with 9mm. I can shoot .45 just as accurately as 9mm, without much difference in time. Given the same brand of hollow points, the .45 still causes more damage than 9mm. That said, The gap isn’t as wide as it once was.

I’m a Speer Gold Dot guy and every test I’ve seen shows that the 230gr .45 expands more than their 9mm offerings. I don’t know how the +P+ 9mm performs relative to the .45, but the recoil with the +P+ Defeats the purpose. It also beats up your gun.

Mr Blue, yeah I was thinking along the lines of what would happen if Maryland adopt gun laws like Connecticut whereby only 10 round mag were allowed. I thought I heard about NJ not allowing hp ammo to used. Combining those two restriction would have me contemplating my choice.

I agree 45acp is more a push in recoil department compared to 9mm especially if you're going to those +p or +p+ in 9mm. But if not shooting the +p 9mm, I think the 9mm is bit faster on follow-up.

A problem I see with 45acp is it's more expensive to shot unless you get into reloading to help offset the cost and it has more recoil than 9mm in similar sized handguns.

I heard it's very difficult to obtain a carry conceal permit/license here in Maryland.

leomort · Mar 21, 2021

Biggfoot44 said:
In my personal calculus , the number of rounds in the gun as an abstract is well down the hierarchy of priorities . ( Disclaimers - So long as at least 5 , preferably 6 , and I habitually carry reload(s) ) . The fit of the gun , and how well I shoot it are much higher priorities .

My tastes run heavily to revolvers and single stacks . When I do use higher capacity , it is usually because of other attributes of the gun , and not specifically because of the capacity . As a bonus , single column extra magazines are easier and more comfortable to conceal/ disguise than double column .

In the land of hypotheticals , IF I was one of the handful of people authorized to carry in NJ , the Ammunition restrictions would indeed be a major influence .

IF I'm to be limited to non- expanding projectiles , by diggity I want BIG non expanding bullets . FMJ in .45acp , SWC in .44Spl and .45Colt .

My taste also run towards revolvers and single stacks. Perhaps GP100 in 44spec and 1911 45acp, lol!

Doctor_M · Mar 21, 2021

Mag size sometimes impacts my C&R purchases... if I'm buying something with an unusual magazine that you just can't walk into an out of state gun store and buy off the shelf, I will usually think about that... before I buy it anyway.

Huckleberry · Mar 21, 2021

Instead of worrying about how rounds are in your revolver or pistol maybe you should worry about how many "hits" are in you?

If you're a Professional Bolo that's always satisfied with scores of 60-70% then yes, high capacity mags were definitely intended for you.

If you're consistently hitting 90-100% then it really doesn't matter because you make every round count.

45 years ago if you wanted a high capacity pistol, you had a choice between a Browning HP, Beretta 92, S&W 59 or the highly exotic CZ-75 from behind the Iron Curtain.

rseymorejr · Mar 21, 2021

leomort said:
smokey0118, Good point and something I did not think of but yes, you're probably correct that the "loop hole" regarding magazines was purposely left there to allow the bill to pass more easily. I'm sure the politician figured they can always come back for them with a later bill.

That's exactly what they did already with mag capacity limits. At first the limit was 20 rounds then when tey decided to tighten the screws a litle more it was much easier to cross out all the 20's in COMAR and replace them with 10's.

Oh, and eliminate the word "loophole" from your vocabulary.

SigMatt · Mar 21, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
I had to help my cousin out with this decision because he lives in CT. They can only possess 10 rd mags. He decided to keep a .45acp and a shotgun for home defense, but conceal carries a micro compact 9mm with 10 rounds.

If there was a small .45acp that could fit 10 rounds of .45acp, that’s what I would carry if there was the 10rd limit here. Currently, I have a 13+1 45acp in my nightstand, but carry a P365 with 12+1 of 9mm plus another 12 rounder.
Ultimately, if given the same amount of rounds, I’d want a .45.

P320 Compact. It has a 9+1 capacity. Thicker than a P365XL but not much larger overall. I've carried it.

During the 1994-2004 capacity ban, big bore compact .45s were a thing because if you're limited to 10, you want each one to hurt as much as possible. I almost bought a Glock 30 for that purpose but the grip didn't work for me. Went with a P220 instead and have carried Sigs since.

Matt

Biggfoot44 · Mar 21, 2021

In particular during '94- '04 , compact .40's were a thing .

KGB-SPY · Mar 21, 2021

If you can't hit your intended target with first 2-3 rounds, then 10+ would be not much help when you in the firefight.

Mr.Blue · Mar 21, 2021

KGB-SPY said:
If you can't hit your intended target with first 2-3 rounds, then 10+ would be not much help when you in the firefight.

That’s quite an oversimplification.

TheOriginalMexicanBob · Mar 21, 2021

While more rounds in reserve is certainly better than fewer...I would believe the reality is that the vast majority of lethel force incidents are decided one way or the other within the first half-dozen rounds fired from all involved. Of course...no one wants to be on the short end of those numbers.

Crosseye Dominant · Mar 21, 2021

Mr.Blue said:
I don’t find .45 recoil any harder than 9mm. In fact, it’s more pleasurable to me. It’s a push back, rather than a snap up with 9mm. I can shoot .45 just as accurately as 9mm, without much difference in time. Given the same brand of hollow points, the .45 still causes more damage than 9mm. That said, The gap isn’t as wide as it once was.

I’m a Speer Gold Dot guy and every test I’ve seen shows that the 230gr .45 expands more than their 9mm offerings. I don’t know how the +P+ 9mm performs relative to the .45, but the recoil with the +P+ Defeats the purpose. It also beats up your gun.

Agreed. I find the .45 cal glocks are actually mechanically more accurate than the 9mm, when when you throw the marksman barrel into the mix. Plus the bigger frame and trigger just feel better for me. Smaller handed people probably works disagree, lol.

Does mag. size limits change your choice?

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