Go Back   Maryland Shooters > The Arsenal > Rifles
Don't Have An Account? Register Here

Join MD Shooters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old May 14th, 2019, 06:04 AM #11
erwos's Avatar
erwos erwos is offline
Jew with a Gun
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rockville, MD
Posts: 9,934
erwos erwos is offline
Jew with a Gun
erwos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Rockville, MD
Posts: 9,934
I don't know anyone who's ever handled a stock M16A1 and gone "wow, this is unbalanced". It is a magnificent rifle, and the pencil barrel is one of the reasons my 603 clone is one of my favorite guns.

The "weight of hanging stuff from your gun" argument is irrelevant when you're using a FF rail, and even the Army has figured that one out with the DD RIS II.

The real problem with the A2 profile is that it has all the weight in the wrong place (up front). The M4A1 profile makes a LOT more sense if you're going to bulk it up.
__________________
Things I love: bullpups, mag-fed shotguns, Glocks-not-made-by-Glock, .458 SOCOM, 6.5 Grendel, giving my opinion
Things I hate: .40S&W, KeyMod, AR pistols with buffer tubes, anything with an arm brace, fad-of-the-day long-range calibers
erwos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 04:44 AM #12
OLM-Medic's Avatar
OLM-Medic OLM-Medic is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,144
OLM-Medic OLM-Medic is offline
Senior Member
OLM-Medic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 4,144
I prefer the pencil barrel. Even for long range shooting with .223I really don't see the need for a heavy match barrel anymore
OLM-Medic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 10:37 AM #13
gtodave's Avatar
gtodave gtodave is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mt Airy
Posts: 6,288
gtodave gtodave is offline
Member
gtodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mt Airy
Posts: 6,288
Quote:
Originally Posted by smokey0118 View Post
Howso? Next you'll think it's wrong to be out shooting a ma deuce for fun or something....
That was a great day, and a great man that was VERY generous!
__________________
We're right, we're free....we'll fight, you'll see.
gtodave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 12:49 PM #14
TexDefender TexDefender is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,236
TexDefender TexDefender is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,236
"...as for bayonet charges, you’re not going to do one. Ever."

I will beg to differ. That line is right up there with a Fighter Plane will never need a gun either. They are there for a reason for them, like saving weight. I have no doubt they got heavier to make them more durable. One would be surprised the things a Trooper, Sailor, Marine, or Airman can break. No one thought you could break a Hummer Axle, well it can be done.
TexDefender is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 04:08 PM #15
BeoBill's Avatar
BeoBill BeoBill is offline
Crank in the Third Row
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: 南馬里蘭州鮑伊
Posts: 16,253
BeoBill BeoBill is offline
Crank in the Third Row
BeoBill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: 南馬里蘭州鮑伊
Posts: 16,253
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverlode View Post
Interesting read on how they came to be and their value, or lack thereof.

http://www.captainsjournal.com/2019/...arrel-is-dumb/
See; $500 toilet seat. MIL-SPEC toilet seat.
__________________
Formerly "The Pitbull from OSD Policy." To err is human. To forgive is not SAC policy.
“Those who beat their arms into plows will plow for those who don’t.”

Dark to Light; sheep no more. WWG1WGA WWNC
#MorePatriotsThanHandcuffs
BeoBill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 04:13 PM #16
BeoBill's Avatar
BeoBill BeoBill is offline
Crank in the Third Row
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: 南馬里蘭州鮑伊
Posts: 16,253
BeoBill BeoBill is offline
Crank in the Third Row
BeoBill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: 南馬里蘭州鮑伊
Posts: 16,253
Quote:
Originally Posted by TexDefender View Post
"...as for bayonet charges, you’re not going to do one. Ever."

I will beg to differ. That line is right up there with a Fighter Plane will never need a gun either. They are there for a reason for them, like saving weight. I have no doubt they got heavier to make them more durable. One would be surprised the things a Trooper, Sailor, Marine, or Airman can break. No one thought you could break a Hummer Axle, well it can be done.
The original F-35 design did not include a gun because all engagements were envisioned to be well beyond the line of sight using missiles...
__________________
Formerly "The Pitbull from OSD Policy." To err is human. To forgive is not SAC policy.
“Those who beat their arms into plows will plow for those who don’t.”

Dark to Light; sheep no more. WWG1WGA WWNC
#MorePatriotsThanHandcuffs
BeoBill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 16th, 2019, 04:51 PM #17
lazarus lazarus is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,361
lazarus lazarus is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 4,361
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeoBill View Post
The original F-35 design did not include a gun because all engagements were envisioned to be well beyond the line of sight using missiles...
Worst comes to worst there is an easy solution, only recruit pilots with really bad eye sight to prove you are right.
lazarus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old May 17th, 2019, 07:34 AM #18
TexDefender TexDefender is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,236
TexDefender TexDefender is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,236
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeoBill View Post
The original F-35 design did not include a gun because all engagements were envisioned to be well beyond the line of sight using missiles...
Note that was quickly changed.
TexDefender is online now   Reply With Quote
Old May 17th, 2019, 07:42 AM #19
Pinecone Pinecone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 18,118
Pinecone Pinecone is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 18,118
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeoBill View Post
The original F-35 design did not include a gun because all engagements were envisioned to be well beyond the line of sight using missiles...
Just like the original F-4 Phantom II.

And the F-111

See how well that worked out.

The USAAC/USAAF/USAF have a LONG history of forgetting history and reinventing it.
Pinecone is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  Home Page > Forum List > The Arsenal > Rifles


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:12 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
© 2019, Congregate Media, LP Privacy Policy Terms of Service