scottymd
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msp doesnt make rules.. they only enforce them..
its up to the AG to tell MSP what that particular part will have to be.
MSP should know what they are going to enforce and they won't clarify what that is.
msp doesnt make rules.. they only enforce them..
its up to the AG to tell MSP what that particular part will have to be.
MSP should know what they are going to enforce and they won't clarify what that is.
H= heavy
Bar=short for barrel..
i have couple hbar rifles.. it doesnt say anything on reciever.. except one says match target (oly).
good question though what MSP allow to be hbar rifles. i've seen plenty different brands with heavy barrel but no other special marks on the reciever/lower.
MSP will not define it. I have looked into this several times and have gotten several different answers.
The correct answer is: Pixie dust.
That's right, there is nothing magic other than the pixie dust and barrel profile that makes an HBAR, an HBAR.
I wish people would read the f'ing law correctly, what is regulated/soon to be banned, is the Colt AR-15, Colt CAR-15, and all Imitations of the Colt AR-15 and CAR-15. The HBAR variants are specifically exempted. This does NOT mean that ALL AR-15 variants are affected, only those variants that are identical to the Colt AR-15 and the Colt CAR-15.
Now that still affects a lot of rifles, but less than the number everyone works so hard to restrict their own rights to. Sweet Jesus, please stop reading into the law. Parse it accurately and read ONLY what it says. (I am guilty of having done this in the past myself. Took several lawyers beating me over the head to cure me of common sense.)
The law does not say it covers all clones. It says what I wrote above VERBATIM. The problem is the interpretation of the written word.
MSP will define it and have in the past, there are several FFLs that have letters from MSP advising that HBARs by other manufacturers are C&C (That is how I got my Bushmaster).
By the way, any barrel that is fluted is considered and HBAR.
But that the definition of copies only applies to regulated firearms, which the Colt HBAR is not. Therefore, that definition doesn't apply to imitations of the Colt HBAR sporter.
I'm not saying definitively one way or the other, but the safest interpretation is to assume that all HBARs are expressly disallowed except for Colt Sporter HBARs, sold as a completed unit.
Any chance you could get a copy of one of those scanned and posted here? I have a feeling that said letter may come in real handy in a few months....
The law does not say it covers all clones. It says what I wrote above VERBATIM. The problem is the interpretation of the written word.
Actually, you copied part of the law VERBATIM. The problem with doing that is you missed a very important part. This is what is written before it starts the list of which you copied some of:
13 [(p)] (R) “Regulated firearm” means:
14 (1) a handgun; or
15 (2) a firearm that is any of the following specific assault weapons or
16 their copies, regardless of which company produced and manufactured that assault
17 weapon:
I have learned that its better read from the beginning of the section to the end of the section as sometimes important parts are not were you think they are.
Back to the topic. Here a clear issues is who defines what "Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR" is? At first you would think MSP but actually I think it would have to be Colt... the way the law is written... If Colt renames a FAL " Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR"... how could MSP say its banned when the law clearly said a specific model "name" is exempt...??? All MSP can do it tell us what counts as a Clone...
But that the definition of copies only applies to regulated firearms, which the Colt HBAR is not. Therefore, that definition doesn't apply to imitations of the Colt HBAR sporter.
I'm not saying definitively one way or the other, but the safest interpretation is to assume that all HBARs are expressly disallowed except for Colt Sporter HBARs, sold as a completed unit.
Going by what is safest... you should sell all your guns and ammo because like the IRS, the ATF can get you for something if they wish...
Read the regulated firearms list. Not this. This does not even mention the HBAR rifle at all.
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It does not say "except COLT AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle and all imitations", it exempts the one firearm by name...
I'd love it if one of the manufacturers in MD started production of AR lowers stamped with something like "MD-Compliant HBAR Clone" and only sold them in MD.
Think of the profit they'd make.
It does NOT have to be stamped HBAR, and its is not only the Colt Sproter HBAR.
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If a gun is not actually stamped HBAR, the only way to be sure, is to pull the hand guards and ensure that the barrel has a heavy contour for its full length.
Please post what you are talking about... I did read and post it... I don't have a clue what you are talking about now. I think you may need to read it again.
The MD list of regulated firearms.
http://www.oag.state.md.us/Opinions/2010/95oag101.pdf