AR-10 Stripped Lower and Upper waiting period in MD?

TheAmericanPlumber · Aug 12, 2019

Recently I was in a gun shop browsing around and came across a AR-10 Stripped Upper and Lower that I liked and since I was looking to build a .308 I thought it was perfect. So I got some help and the person helping me told me that I would have to fill out a 77R and wait the 7 days. I questioned this stating that AR-10s, AR-10 lowers that are complete or stripped are not regulated in Maryland and therefor forgo the 77R and waiting period. The person claimed that any AR lower; stripped, complete, 10, 15, 9 or full AR guns are all regulated in the state of Maryland. I then stated that a stripped AR-10 lower is listed nowhere as regulated and is cash and carry provided I pass the 4473. The person continued to claim that I am wrong and that a stripped AR-10 lower is regulated. Does anyone have any information on this. Everything I can seem to find states that stripped AR-10 lowers are non regulated but can’t find anything on MSP website stating that, or any penal codes. Thank you.

Buster Brown · Aug 12, 2019

As far as i know all AR type stripped lowers are regulated because its registered as an "other". Not a handgun or a rifle and since it could theoretically be assembled into a pistol its treated as a pistol minus a hql requirement.

rseymorejr · Aug 12, 2019

AR10 stripped lowers are cash and carry, NICS check only
AR15 stripped lowers require the 77R and 7 day wait, no HQL

RuralRifleGuy · Aug 12, 2019

Find a new LGS.

Steve_Zissou · Aug 12, 2019

RuralRifleGuy said:
Find a new LGS.

This. AR-10 anything (this side of a completed pistol) should be cash-and-carry at any LGS with half a clue.

Buster Brown · Aug 12, 2019

Good to know. As with most md gun laws, logic goes right out the window.

TheAmericanPlumber · Aug 12, 2019

RuralRifleGuy said:
Find a new LGS.

I will after this. Was going away for a week the day after so I decided **** it and put a deposit on it and went away. Forgot about it and got the call today that my 77R has expired. Don’t wanna lose the restocking fee but not going to wait 7 days again for a cash and carry item. Honestly just might say **** it and return it

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TheAmericanPlumber · Aug 12, 2019

Steve_Zissou said:
This. AR-10 anything (this side of a completed pistol) should be cash-and-carry at any LGS with half a clue.

Exactly what I said. Person said well because you could make it into a piston it’s regulated like one. And I just looked at them and asked then why don’t I need to show you my HQL they just looked at me blankly.

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TheAmericanPlumber · Aug 12, 2019

Buster Brown said:
As far as i know all AR type stripped lowers are regulated because its registered as an "other". Not a handgun or a rifle and since it could theoretically be assembled into a pistol its treated as a pistol minus a hql requirement.

Everything I have found online states the opposite. MSP FAQ sheet even stated you can take a stripped lower and build a pistol without a HQL. If you could point me to a MSP page or Penal code that states what you say that would be really helpful.

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danb · Aug 12, 2019

sales of stripped lowers of banned long guns are regulated (77r), see here: https://mdsp.maryland.gov/Document ...3 - Receivers of Banned Assault Long Guns.pdf

AR15 lower is regulated because the lower is that of a regulated long gun (post 2013, "regulated" long guns were banned).

AR10s never were regulated, they were (and still are) cash and carry. Ergo, the lower of the AR10 is also cash and carry.

Buster Brown · Aug 12, 2019

SuppressedPlumber said:
Everything I have found online states the opposite. MSP FAQ sheet even stated you can take a stripped lower and build a pistol without a HQL. If you could point me to a MSP page or Penal code that states what you say that would be really helpful.

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Thats why i said minus an hql requirement because you dont need one to build it into a pistol. I said i didnt believe it was cash and carry because as crazy as it sounds, msp originally said it was cash and carry but later after finding out people were building some into pistols, starting going back on what they originally said and was telling some ffls to do a 77r on stripped ar10 receivers. You may want to specifically ask your ffl if msp told them that. They may just be doing what they were told. If some ffls will do it, more power to them. I have a hard time keeping up with the msp because they're so flippy floppy like how they were with cetmes.

TheAmericanPlumber · Aug 13, 2019

Buster Brown said:
Thats why i said minus an hql requirement because you dont need one to build it into a pistol. I said i didnt believe it was cash and carry because as crazy as it sounds, msp originally said it was cash and carry but later after finding out people were building some into pistols, starting going back on what they originally said and was telling some ffls to do a 77r on stripped ar10 receivers. You may want to specifically ask your ffl if msp told them that. They may just be doing what they were told. If some ffls will do it, more power to them. I have a hard time keeping up with the msp because they're so flippy floppy like how they were with cetmes.

If you can provide me with a source that states that, that would be great. But again everything I have found does not list AR-10 as a banned weapon

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Steve_Zissou · Aug 13, 2019

SuppressedPlumber said:
Exactly what I said. Person said well because you could make it into a piston it’s regulated like one. And I just looked at them and asked then why don’t I need to show you my HQL they just looked at me blankly.

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Yep, time to get a new LGS. That's only valid for AR-15 lowers.

Buster Brown · Aug 13, 2019

SuppressedPlumber said:
If you can provide me with a source that states that, that would be great. But again everything I have found does not list AR-10 as a banned weapon

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Sorry i dont have the phone conversation recorded and never seen it in writing. As far as banned, its not. There is no such thing as a regulated long gun you can transfer in MD unless its full auto. All long guns are either cash and carry or banned all together. A new receiver is not a long gun. I dont get whats the big deal is though. At this point id just pay the $10 and wait a week unless its all about the paper trail. I know its hindsight but i dont always assume ffls know the laws because ive found many dont so its important to ask questions before shelling out your hard earned cash.

danb · Aug 13, 2019

Buster Brown said:
Sorry i dont have the phone conversation recorded and never seen it in writing. As far as banned, its not. There is no such thing as a regulated long gun you can transfer in MD unless its full auto. All long guns are either cash and carry or banned all together. A new receiver is not a long gun. I dont get whats the big deal is though. At this point id just pay the $10 and wait a week unless its all about the paper trail. I know its hindsight but i dont always assume ffls know the laws because ive found many dont so its important to ask questions before shelling out your hard earned cash.

I think that the point is: dont incentivize FFLs who dont know the law by doing business with them.

Buster Brown · Aug 13, 2019

danb said:
I think that the point is: dont incentivize FFLs who dont know the law by doing business with them.

I can definitely understand that but me personally, id want my deposit back. It seems like a no win situation and id be damned if they get my money for providing nothing but a headache. In that case they win twice.

danb · Aug 13, 2019

Buster Brown said:
I can definitely understand that but me personally, id want my deposit back. It seems like a no win situation and id be damned if they get my money for providing nothing but a headache. In that case they win twice.

right, I get that. When you pick it up just make the point you wont be going back or recommending their shop.

Buster Brown · Aug 13, 2019

danb said:
right, I get that. When you pick it up just make the point you wont be going back or recommending their shop.

Exactly

bkuether · Aug 13, 2019

Was it by chance a gun store in Columbia that was named after a furry animal? :innocent0

erwos · Aug 13, 2019

The MSP made up the 7-day wait on AR-15 lowers anyways. I doubt it would stand up for a second in court if someone sued them over it, but it's just not worth the money to do it.

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