AGC IDPA Match - Saturday, October 19

MEGARMS · Oct 2, 2019

Associated Gun Clubs Monthly (3rd Saturday) IDPA Tier 1 Match

6 Stages (2 per Bay)
33 shooters
120-150 rounds
$20 for Non Range Badge Holders
$10 for AGC Range Badge Holders

Registration is NOW open!!!

https://practiscore.com/associated-gun-clubs-october-idpa-tier-1-match/register

Art3 · Oct 15, 2019

So...all the excitement about AGC Steel Challenge (don't get me wrong, it was worth the hype!), but no one is talking about this? As someone who has never done IDPA, I have some questions...maybe someday there will be a sticky in the fancy new Action Shooting subforum to help out us noobs...but for now, this is where we are.

I've seen IDPA on TV, and started poking around on their website. There are a lot of rules. Is this event completely by the book? Is there room for someone who knows he is ok at blasting away at steel, but uncertain of the intricacies of IDPA? (I don't even know what Tier 1 means

) Do I need to be a member (of IDPA) to participate?

My experience with most shooting sports is that showing up with ammo and a positive attitude is usually enough to get the veterans to help you with the details. I would suspect it would be the same here, although I'm a little worried about showing up with the wrong gear. Here are my questions/assumptions about that, based on what I think I've learned so far:

Pistol has to fit in "the box." Do you guys have a box? Legend has it that my completely stock Glock 34 was specifically designed to fit in that box, so I guess I'm ok there :shrug:

No 2 piece competition belt. :tap:

I don't have a "regular" shooting belt. Could I use the outer half of my 2 piece by itself? I have a fairly stiff dress belt...would that be ok?

No drop/offset on the holster. I don't have one installed anyway, but do you guys actually measure where the pistol sits? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that my holster was IDPA legal, but I never actually measured it.

10 round mags...how many do I need? I have a couple...would standard cap (oem) be ok if I promised to only load 10?

Covering garment: This is just any sort of light jacket or shirt that covers up the pistol, right? Is there anything particular about it? Does it have to be long sleeve?

Power factor: Regular store-bought ammo should be fine, right? Remington or PMC 115-124 fmj...cheap, nothing fancy...

Thank you! Honestly, I'm not even sure my schedule will allow me to attend this weekend's match :sad20:

However...at some point, I will be participating in my first IDPA event, most likely at AGC. I'm sure all my questions would still be asked then anyway

Keystone70 · Oct 15, 2019

Art3 said:
So...all the excitement about AGC Steel Challenge (don't get me wrong, it was worth the hype!), but no one is talking about this? As someone who has never done IDPA, I have some questions...maybe someday there will be a sticky in the fancy new Action Shooting subforum to help out us noobs...but for now, this is where we are.

I've seen IDPA on TV, and started poking around on their website. There are a lot of rules. Is this event completely by the book? Is there room for someone who knows he is ok at blasting away at steel, but uncertain of the intricacies of IDPA? (I don't even know what Tier 1 means ) Do I need to be a member (of IDPA) to participate?

My experience with most shooting sports is that showing up with ammo and a positive attitude is usually enough to get the veterans to help you with the details. I would suspect it would be the same here, although I'm a little worried about showing up with the wrong gear. Here are my questions/assumptions about that, based on what I think I've learned so far:

Pistol has to fit in "the box." Do you guys have a box? Legend has it that my completely stock Glock 34 was specifically designed to fit in that box, so I guess I'm ok there

No 2 piece competition belt. I don't have a "regular" shooting belt. Could I use the outer half of my 2 piece by itself? I have a fairly stiff dress belt...would that be ok?

No drop/offset on the holster. I don't have one installed anyway, but do you guys actually measure where the pistol sits? I'm pretty sure I remember reading that my holster was IDPA legal, but I never actually measured it.

10 round mags...how many do I need? I have a couple...would standard cap (oem) be ok if I promised to only load 10?

Covering garment: This is just any sort of light jacket or shirt that covers up the pistol, right? Is there anything particular about it? Does it have to be long sleeve?

Power factor: Regular store-bought ammo should be fine, right? Remington or PMC 115-124 fmj...cheap, nothing fancy...

Thank you! Honestly, I'm not even sure my schedule will allow me to attend this weekend's match However...at some point, I will be participating in my first IDPA event, most likely at AGC. I'm sure all my questions would still be asked then anyway

The rules are followed in all matches. Exceptions are usually given for equipment within reason.
The dimensions of the gun and holster are not usually rigid for new shooters within reason. If you have a safe gun with a strong side holster, you will not hear anything in a tier one match. The holster must be strong side holster that covers entire trigger guard. Any cover garment that covers the gun when standing straight up is all that is needed.
Tier one matches are not too rigid on equipment. They are for practice for the higher tier sanctioned matches. Sounds like your equipment is fine as I understand your comment. I commend you for looking that closely to the rules before showing up.
Also, power factor is not monitored at tier one. Factory ammo is gtg.
Don't get too hung up on the rules. The important thing is safe equipment and safe shooting and have fun. The SOs are not gestapo like and want you to have fun. The only real concern is safety.

Oh, one thing with holsters is some clubs do not want serpa holsters unless your a sharpshooter. That is a local safety rule; not IDPA.

Sign up and enjoy. There are plenty of experienced shooters that will help and answer questions when your there. The SO running you will know your new and be clear with any instructions and help you.

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bitterkenny · Oct 15, 2019

Art3, I'll be there Sat. It'll be my 1st match at AGC, but I've been shooting IDPA for a few years. Register and join squad 6 and I'll do my best to explain what's going on. The match director (or at least one of them) will be on that squad too. I'll also be shooting a Glock 34, so will have extra mags if you need them. And yes, standard cap mags are fine as long you load them to division capacity, which would be 10 in our case. Some stages will have you have fewer in the mag, and in most cases you'll actually have 11 rounds in your first mag (for 10 + 1) - I can explain as it comes up. As for a cover garment, most people use a vest of some sort, but don't sweat it too much - a shirt or light jacket is fine. Drop me a PM if you have any questions in the meantime. Hope to see you there.

Art3 · Oct 15, 2019

Keystone70 said:
The rules are followed in all matches. Exceptions are usually given for equipment within reason.
The dimensions of the gun and holster are not usually rigid for new shooters within reason. If you have a safe gun with a strong side holster, you will not hear anything in a tier one match. The holster must be strong side holster that covers entire trigger guard. Any cover garment that covers the gun when standing straight up is all that is needed.
Tier one matches are not too rigid on equipment. They are for practice for the higher tier sanctioned matches. Sounds like your equipment is fine as I understand your comment. I commend you for looking that closely to the rules before showing up.
Also, power factor is not monitored at tier one. Factory ammo is gtg.
Don't get too hung up on the rules. The important thing is safe equipment and safe shooting and have fun. The SOs are not gestapo like and want you to have fun. The only real concern is safety.

Oh, one thing with holsters is some clubs do not want serpa holsters unless your a sharpshooter. That is a local safety rule; not IDPA.

Sign up and enjoy. There are plenty of experienced shooters that will help and answer questions when your there. The SO running you will know your new and be clear with any instructions and help you.

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Thank you. That all sounds doable :thumbsup:

bitterkenny said:
Art3, I'll be there Sat. It'll be my 1st match at AGC, but I've been shooting IDPA for a few years. Register and join squad 6 and I'll do my best to explain what's going on. The match director (or at least one of them) will be on that squad too. I'll also be shooting a Glock 34, so will have extra mags if you need them. And yes, standard cap mags are fine as long you load them to division capacity, which would be 10 in our case. Some stages will have you have fewer in the mag, and in most cases you'll actually have 11 rounds in your first mag (for 10 + 1) - I can explain as it comes up. As for a cover garment, most people use a vest of some sort, but don't sweat it too much - a shirt or light jacket is fine. Drop me a PM if you have any questions in the meantime. Hope to see you there.

Thank you. I just looked, and Squad 6 does have some openings. I can't commit yet...I may have to work Saturday. I did some finagling to get out of working last Saturday to do the Steel match...I may have to pay the piper for it this Saturday. :sad20:

If I can go, I'll definitely look for you in 6.

Stoveman · Oct 15, 2019

I had a lot of fun shooting IDPA over the years even with the ridiculous mag limits. What turned me off more than a bit was the new "a head shot is not a head shot unless it's in this smaller area" rule change.

I understand that IDPA was founded during the mag ban but not being able to load to 10 rounds in a standard capacity Glock 19 mag has never made any sense to me. And the ultra slow new head shot rule is ridiculous for a game simulating defensive pistol shooting.

jonnyl · Oct 15, 2019

Do it if you're free, you'll have fun. There are a lot of rules that take a little getting used to. Some will make logical sense when you see it laid out, and some are just "that's what it is".

The only point I want to add is that most of the SAFETY rules are the same as in the other action shooting sports. So you should be pretty comfortable with the load procedure, 180 rule, etc. Watch out for your cover garment getting between your pistol and holster when holstering hot at the start of a stage.

Many of the other rules will get you a procedural time penalty but you'll pick it up quick.

hogarth · Oct 16, 2019

Stoveman said:
I had a lot of fun shooting IDPA over the years even with the ridiculous mag limits. What turned me off more than a bit was the new "a head shot is not a head shot unless it's in this smaller area" rule change.

I understand that IDPA was founded during the mag ban but not being able to load to 10 rounds in a standard capacity Glock 19 mag has never made any sense to me. And the ultra slow new head shot rule is ridiculous for a game simulating defensive pistol shooting.

Measure from the bottom of your eyebrows to the base of the septum of your nose. Unless you have a really long face, that's not going to be six inches as represented by the head box of an IDPA target. The 4 inch circle is better--anatomically speaking--to represent what's worth hitting.

Xshot · Oct 16, 2019

Stoveman said:
I had a lot of fun shooting IDPA over the years even with the ridiculous mag limits. What turned me off more than a bit was the new "a head shot is not a head shot unless it's in this smaller area" rule change.

I understand that IDPA was founded during the mag ban but not being able to load to 10 rounds in a standard capacity Glock 19 mag has never made any sense to me. And the ultra slow new head shot rule is ridiculous for a game simulating defensive pistol shooting.

It keeps everyone on a level playing field. If we have two different guns for CCP, and one holds 12 and the other holds 15, it's not exactly "fair". Plus, it makes you reload so you have experience doing it and get good at it. Otherwise you'd have 21 round mags for a stage that only has 20 shots and never reload. Plus the round count for a match would be much much higher, which could be cool, but also expensive.

So...level playing field, practice reloads, and lower round count.

danb · Oct 16, 2019

At the start signal retrieve your gun and shoot Zombies, any order, 2 to the body and 1 to the head

ok, but everyone knows you don't shoot zombies in the body.

I feel like I need a suppressor for this match, but I dont have a suppressor-appropriate holster.

Xshot · Oct 16, 2019

danb said:
ok, but everyone knows you don't shoot zombies in the body.

I feel like I need a suppressor for this match, but I dont have a suppressor-appropriate holster.

Your shots won't register on the shot clock with a suppressor...

We ran into that problem at AAFG before.

boss281 · Oct 17, 2019

I will be coming to watch for an hour or two and check out the new bays. Not resuming competition until next year. See you fellas there.

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Art3 · Oct 18, 2019

Well, no work Saturday, so I managed to get in at the last minute. :secret:

I feel a little guilty about not helping MSI at Timonium...but... :shrug:

there are how many other members?

I discovered that the nice dress belt my wife bought me many years ago is pretty stiff, and seems to work just fine to hold my holster (I just hope I don't scratch it up! :eek:

). I did a little bit of drawing practice and found a light jacket that behaves pretty well as a cover garment. It isn't pretty, but seems to do the trick. The work shirt I had planned on using did not cooperate, but it looks like the weather should be cool enough to go with the jacket.

There isn't a whole lot of gear to get ready or pack up...so I guess all that's left is trying to get a good night sleep. :fingerscrossed:

Look forward to seeing you all there. I'll be the slow shooting guy in Squad 6 with the kinda scrungy camo jacket...and pretty black belt

John from MD · Oct 18, 2019

Art,

I shot IDPA for 15 years or so and was a match director and SO. In the beginning, it used to be more for fun than competition. As time moved on and it became more popular, it became more competitive. As an SO at regional and national matches, more often than not, the top shooters would argue points with you almost every time. The rules have changed quite a bit and there are a lot of them now. They even got politically correct a few years ago and changed the logo from a gun so it didn't offend people.

As a new start up, AGC can control how they want to run their matches. Local matches can be fun if the match director and SO's work it that way. I suggest you go to the IDPA web page and get familiar with the rules or you will get a lot of procedural violations which add up in points. I would also suggest watching a couple of matches before signing up for one. It makes it more fun if you know something about what is going on and you won't get frustrated.

Have fun,

John

MEGARMS · Oct 18, 2019

Art3 said:
Well, no work Saturday, so I managed to get in at the last minute. I feel a little guilty about not helping MSI at Timonium...but... there are how many other members?

I discovered that the nice dress belt my wife bought me many years ago is pretty stiff, and seems to work just fine to hold my holster (I just hope I don't scratch it up! ). I did a little bit of drawing practice and found a light jacket that behaves pretty well as a cover garment. It isn't pretty, but seems to do the trick. The work shirt I had planned on using did not cooperate, but it looks like the weather should be cool enough to go with the jacket.

There isn't a whole lot of gear to get ready or pack up...so I guess all that's left is trying to get a good night sleep.

Look forward to seeing you all there. I'll be the slow shooting guy in Squad 6 with the kinda scrungy camo jacket...and pretty black belt

Art, your all good. We are easy and gentle on newbies.

Art3 · Oct 18, 2019

MEGARMS said:
Art, your all good. We are easy and gentle on newbies.

I figured that would be the case,

Thank you!

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