Sig P365

pilot25 · Jan 28, 2018

I have scoured all the videos from Shot Show and none, that I found, dove into the design of the magazine. I'd like to know why it is so different that it can physically fit 3 more rounds than the competition. All I know is it tapers but that tells me they are reducing area to fit ammo not increasing.

I would have thought this would have been the big engineering reveal at Shot Show.

Racer Doug14 · Jan 29, 2018

I'll give it a good fondling at the outdoor show.

alucard0822 · Jan 29, 2018

pilot25 said:
I have scoured all the videos from Shot Show and none, that I found, dove into the design of the magazine. I'd like to know why it is so different that it can physically fit 3 more rounds than the competition. All I know is it tapers but that tells me they are reducing area to fit ammo not increasing.

I would have thought this would have been the big engineering reveal at Shot Show.

Couple things, it's singlestack or staggered in the top 1/3 of the mag, allows the tapered shape near the top for thinner trigger reach, and more room around the frame/FCG like most any single stack design. The bottom 2/3 is doublestack, and looks like the lowest load check window is a bit lower than most, so probably a low profile follower, prehaps a telescoping spring design like GLOCK uses, or a flat leaf like magguts, so room for an extra round or two. You can see how thin the plastic molding is on the sides of the mag, being they fit flush with the grip surfaces, the sides of the grip must be really thin too. Seems like they designed the pistol, and saw how far up the grip they could get away with super thin grip panels, and doublestack clearance, once they got as high as they could go for parts clearance and strength, they tapered the mag into single stack up to the lips. It's not unlike the mags S&W's M&P 45s use, keeps the grip skinny near the trigger guard, but in that case sacrifices a couple rounds capacity compared to a full doublestack mag. In this case Sig might have gotten the round or two capacity back with a follower design. I'll definitely check it out at the outdoor show, this is at the top if my list to buy.

pilot25 · Jan 29, 2018

Thank you very much for the detail.

rascal · Jan 30, 2018

alucard0822 said:
Couple things, it's singlestack or staggered in the top 1/3 of the mag, allows the tapered shape near the top for thinner trigger reach, and more room around the frame/FCG like most any single stack design.

Agree. I handled one at a Sig elite dealer in Pa some weeks ago. And the lower part of the grip doe not widen much at all, Sig got very narrow at the base and mid part of the grip despite it being double stack in those sections. The grip is narrow from top to bottom, same as a G43, because sig wastes no space there whereas the extra space is only needed at the top as it interfaces there with the FCG.

pilot25 · Feb 28, 2018

https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-p365-dud/

Is this common with new designs?
Regardless, I'm still getting it whenever it gets through Maryland's nonsense.

Quote from the article:

"Always be wary of the first generation guns. Even companies known for making reliable guns tend to have growing pains. Anyone remember when Glock released the Gen 4? New guns often have new problems. This isn’t isolated to the firearms industry either. Its a problem with the auto industry, the technology industry, and of course the industrial industry. I always say the first shipments of a new gun are for beta testers…and not for me."

alucard0822 · Feb 28, 2018

pilot25 said:
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-p365-dud/

Is this common with new designs?
Regardless, I'm still getting it whenever it gets through Maryland's nonsense.

Quote from the article:

"Always be wary of the first generation guns. Even companies known for making reliable guns tend to have growing pains. Anyone remember when Glock released the Gen 4? New guns often have new problems. This isn’t isolated to the firearms industry either. Its a problem with the auto industry, the technology industry, and of course the industrial industry. I always say the first shipments of a new gun are for beta testers…and not for me."

Extremely common, Gen4 GLOCK, S&W M&Ps, Springer XDS and XDMs, a half dozen Rugers, Sig's own 320 series too. All required upgrades or recalls for the first models. It's tough to test each and every variable, especially with production tolerence stacking, but most of the time it's caught quick, and good companies will fix it and make it right. Part of the reason you should thoroughly test ANY new pistol you want to bet your life on. I think a beta test of the first 500 pistols, offered to Sig fan folk would probably reduce a lot of problems, but would probably delay sales, would have to halt a line for perhaps months while testing, and would probably end up costing more than a recall in early production. Either way, I'm picking up the first 365 I can find, but won't carry it till I have plenty of rounds through it, and I can find a decent holster for it.

Blaster229 · Feb 28, 2018

I will get one. I will put a few rounds through it to take the edges off and I am sure it will work fine. If not, then that's what malfunction drills are for.

Pinecone · Feb 28, 2018

And factory recalls.

Perfessor · Feb 28, 2018

pilot25 said:
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/blog/sig-p365-dud/

Is this common with new designs?
Regardless, I'm still getting it whenever it gets through Maryland's nonsense.
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My father-in-law's P228 used to have the same problem, until I oiled it (after taking Clandestine's class and learning that guns will run dirty, but they won't run dry :party29:

). Nary a problem since, as long as it gets oiled regularly. From that I'm guessing Sigs may need more lube than other guns.

Really trying to come up with a good off-color joke here ...

usa259 · Feb 28, 2018

Pinecone said:
And factory recalls.

ahhhgmm Upgrades :rolleyes:

Stoveman · Mar 2, 2018

Finger banged one of these at 2A yesterday......and then plunked down $$.

Felt absolutely phenomenal in the hand and with the extension didn't have to wrap the pinky underneath. With the standard night sights and the 10 +1 capacity this is definitely a Glock 43 killer.

Now the wait for roster approval begins....

AACo · Mar 2, 2018

Stoveman said:
Finger banged one of these at 2A yesterday......and then plunked down $$.

Felt absolutely phenomenal in the hand and with the extension didn't have to wrap the pinky underneath. With the standard night sights and the 10 +1 capacity this is definitely a Glock 43 killer.

Now the wait for roster approval begins....

Any word on the roster approval date? Looks like the next update is scheduled for 03/16.

protegeV · Mar 2, 2018

I might stop at the LGS tomorrow morning to see if they have any so i can walk out with it in 5 minutes :innocent0

OldNavyVet · Mar 2, 2018

Stoveman said:
Finger banged one of these at 2A yesterday......and then plunked down $$.

Felt absolutely phenomenal in the hand and with the extension didn't have to wrap the pinky underneath. With the standard night sights and the 10 +1 capacity this is definitely a Glock 43 killer.

Now the wait for roster approval begins....

Was the pricing at or below MSRP. I've been watching online pricing and as much as $200 above MSRP?

Stoveman · Mar 2, 2018

OldNavyVet said:
Stoveman said:

Finger banged one of these at 2A yesterday......and then plunked down $$.

Felt absolutely phenomenal in the hand and with the extension didn't have to wrap the pinky underneath. With the standard night sights and the 10 +1 capacity this is definitely a Glock 43 killer.

Now the wait for roster approval begins....

Was the pricing at or below MSRP. I've been watching online pricing and as much as $200 above MSRP?

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What is MSRP on that one?

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MocoJed · Mar 2, 2018

MSRP is $599 as per the Sig site.

Racer Doug14 · Mar 2, 2018

protegeV said:
I might stop at the LGS tomorrow morning to see if they have any so i can walk out with it in 5 minutes

Di€k.

MocoJed · Mar 2, 2018

$509 @ Brownells

Stoveman · Mar 7, 2018

MocoJed said:
MSRP is $599 as per the Sig site.

Less than this.

MocoJed said:
$509 @ Brownells

More than this. But with shipping and transfer fee it would be more than I paid.

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